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07-13-2008, 06:58 PM
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Shaking the dust off my shoes.
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Re: AFF apostolic or not?
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Originally Posted by TRFrance
Brother, there is a serious flaw in your argument.
You say the Bible doesn't speak specifically against TV, but you say "the principle is there", which I suppose makes it clear to you in your mind that TV watching is a sin. OK.
You cite Psalm 101:3 as the foundational scripture that lays down that principle: "I will set no wicked thing before mine eyes"
But if you say that Psalm 101:3 means no TV watching, someone can use the same argument and same scripture against the Internet, and claim "the principle is there" since in their view, the internet contains wickedness, just like TV ( or even more so than TV).
But many of the same arguments you might personally use to say using the Internet is not [necessarily] sinful, are some of the same arguments someone else could use to say that watching TV is not [necessarily] sinful.
Keep in mind, brother , that there are always going to be Apostolics who are more hardcore conservative than you are, and who can always find something you do and tell you its a sin. When they cant find specific scripture for it, they can quote a bible verse to "prove" to you that "the principle is there".
The fact is, we can always find a scripture that shows that [insert personal conviction here] is wrong, and that [insert scripture here] clearly shows in principle that doing so-and-so is wrong. In fact, as you may already know, there are preachers this very day who preach/teach that using the Internet for non-business use is a sin!
You see brother, every one of us has someone to the right of us who can look at our life and tell us we're too liberal for them, that we're semi-backslidden, compromisers, etc.
So maybe its better to leave some things between the individual and God, and not be judgmental about certain things. God does allow for personal conviction on some matters. Paul expounds on this principle very clearly in 1 Cor 8. You may wish to go back and take a look at that and see what Paul was saying there.
I leave you with Romans 14:4 Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.
Peace to you.
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Why argue common sense? It never works. lol
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07-13-2008, 07:06 PM
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uncharismatic conservative maverick
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Re: AFF apostolic or not?
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Originally Posted by Stephen Hoover
Sin?
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You know, the question does come to mind. I wonder why some Apostolic preachers get out of sorts when a man wears those shorts, but it's okay for women to wear dresses at the knees?
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07-13-2008, 07:08 PM
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Shaking the dust off my shoes.
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Re: AFF apostolic or not?
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Originally Posted by BrotherEastman
You know, the question does come to mind. I wonder why some Apostolic preachers get out of sorts when a man wears those shorts, but it's okay for women to wear dresses at the knees?
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Better watch Easty. The Slippery Slope calleth!
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07-13-2008, 07:20 PM
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Matthew 7:6
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Re: AFF apostolic or not?
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Originally Posted by Rico
Why argue common sense? It never works. lol
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He criticized preacher who approved of "video" in an earlier post, since the preacher was selling [Christian] video in his booth at General Conference
I've asked him twice now (--> right here) to show me scripture that indicates why video is a sin, and he still hasn't answered me. I guess he hasn't found the scripture for that yet.
Makes me kinda sad to see stuff like that, actually.
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07-13-2008, 07:51 PM
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Shaking the dust off my shoes.
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Re: AFF apostolic or not?
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Originally Posted by TRFrance
He criticized preacher who approved of "video" in an earlier post, since the preacher was selling [Christian] video in his booth at General Conference
I've asked him twice now (--> right here) to show me scripture that indicates why video is a sin, and he still hasn't answered me. I guess he hasn't found the scripture for that yet.
Makes me kinda sad to see stuff like that, actually.
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I thought about bumping up my suggestion for him, but one firestorm every few days is getting to be my limit anymore.
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07-14-2008, 03:47 AM
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Rebel with a cause.
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Re: AFF apostolic or not?
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Originally Posted by BrotherEastman
You know, the question does come to mind. I wonder why some Apostolic preachers get out of sorts when a man wears those shorts, but it's okay for women to wear dresses at the knees?
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Wow, we actually agree on something!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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07-14-2008, 03:48 AM
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Rebel with a cause.
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Re: AFF apostolic or not?
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Originally Posted by TRFrance
He criticized preacher who approved of "video" in an earlier post, since the preacher was selling [Christian] video in his booth at General Conference
I've asked him twice now (--> right here) to show me scripture that indicates why video is a sin, and he still hasn't answered me. I guess he hasn't found the scripture for that yet.
Makes me kinda sad to see stuff like that, actually.
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What's sadder to me is that he claims that he's "torn down our arguments" and "pinned us to the wall", lol.
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"Many people view their relationship with God like a "color by number" picture. It's easier to let someone else define the boundaries, tell them which blanks to fill in, and what color to use than it is for them to take a blank canvas and seek inspiration from the Source in order to paint their own masterpiece"
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07-14-2008, 04:06 AM
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Registered Member
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Re: AFF apostolic or not?
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Originally Posted by TRFrance
He criticized preacher who approved of "video" in an earlier post, since the preacher was selling [Christian] video in his booth at General Conference
I've asked him twice now (--> right here) to show me scripture that indicates why video is a sin, and he still hasn't answered me. I guess he hasn't found the scripture for that yet.
Makes me kinda sad to see stuff like that, actually.
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Haven't you heard how to do it? You take a PERSONAL PREFERENCE that you feel other people should adhere to, then you scream and yell about it, and if people ask for scripture you go and it! this is true Isogesis in action!
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"You will be hated for my sake-Just remember that it should be for MY sake and not YOURS-
Do NOT act in such a way as to be offensive, and then blame it on me"
Love, God
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07-14-2008, 04:50 AM
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Matthew 7:6
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Re: AFF apostolic or not?
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Originally Posted by Michael Phelps
What's sadder to me is that he claims that he's "torn down our arguments" and "pinned us to the wall", lol.
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Originally Posted by Pro31:28
Haven't you heard how to do it? You take a PERSONAL PREFERENCE that you feel other people should adhere to, then you scream and yell about it, and if people ask for scripture you go and it! this is true Isogesis in action!
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What's sad to me is that there are so many pastors and preachers in our movement who have done great spiritual damage to many of God's people with that same kind of attitude this guy has displayed here. Pastors are supposed to be shepherds, not spiritual dictators.
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Daniel 12:3 And those who are wise shall shine like the brightness of the firmament; and those who turn many to righteousness, like the stars for ever.
I'm T France, and I approved this message.
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07-14-2008, 04:52 AM
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Re: AFF apostolic or not?
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Originally Posted by TRFrance
What's sad to me is that there are so many pastors and preachers in our movement who have done great spiritual damage to many of God's people with that same kind of attitude this guy has displayed here. Pastors are supposed to be shepherds, not spiritual dictators.
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Preach it, France!
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Her children arise up, and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praiseth her.
"You will be hated for my sake-Just remember that it should be for MY sake and not YOURS-
Do NOT act in such a way as to be offensive, and then blame it on me"
Love, God
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