Is Homosexuality demon possesion or learned behavi - Page 14

live4him · #**131** 07-13-2008, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

...learned behavior?

it is a learned behavior, i agree

live4him · #**132** 07-13-2008, 09:13 PM

let me ask a question, what happens when a child is born with both sex organs. does anyone pretend to be God and choose what he or she is,, that has got to be the worst thing to be born with,

RevDWW · #**133** 07-13-2008, 09:55 PM

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Root cause of all sinful lifestyles:

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Rom 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Rom 1:24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Rom 1:28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
Rom 1:29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
Rom 1:30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
Rom 1:31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
Rom 1:32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Everyone has a choice, but not everyone seems to realize that or makes the correct ones.

So what portion of Romans chapter 1 is inaccurate or incorrect in it's portrayal of the sinfulness of the homosexual lifestyle?

Timmy · #**134** 07-13-2008, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by RevDWW

So what portion of Romans chapter 1 is inaccurate or incorrect in it's portrayal of the sinfulness of the homosexual lifestyle?

The part that says it's sin.

RevDWW · #**135** 07-13-2008, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Timmy

The part that says it's sin.

Can we take this as a "No" vote for divine inspiration of the first chapter, the whole book of Romans, or the Bible in general?

Jermyn Davidson · #**136** 07-14-2008, 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Timmy

The part that says it's sin.

That's ludicrous!

Sin is sin. God has too much mercy for someone to die and go to hell-- but people do and will do, because of their choices.

Don't you realize that there is more than enough grace to cover ALL of our sins?

Bro Nomo the ex-homo can come to the Lord, sincerely repent of his sins, fall, and repent-- constantly struggling, attempting to move forward with in his walk with the Lord, fasting, praying and still struggling-- as he lives, he is clothed with the righteousness of God. When he dies, he will spend eternity with his Savior.

He may have to "ride the altar to Glory", but as long as He doesn't let go of Jesus, He won't let go of Him.

The LORD knows the heart of a sin-struggler. So before someone kicks him/her out of the boat after the 6th fall, be careful to do all you can to restore the brother and consider yourself.

How long does the mercy of the Lord lasts? How many times can you or I sin in one day before the Lord says, "Ok you've run out of your allotment of grace today"?

Sinners don't try, don't feel bad about their sin, revel in their debauchery and upon death, will spend eternity suffering.

Sinners take what the Bible says is sin, and call it preference, fun, ok, not sinful and even right! Their blind, deceived, cursed and dying-- all the while there is a Savior with hands stretched out calling them repentance, salvation, and relationship.

Sin is sin. But there is a God who has grace and that grace is GREATER than our sin.

There is hope for homosexual, rapist, necrophiliac, cannibal, the pedophile-- whosoever will, let them come! And when they come to the Lord, He will change them, oh yes there will be a change-- even if it

Praxeas · #**137** 07-14-2008, 03:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Timmy

Seems unfair, then. Bible-following straights cannot commit fornication, but at least they have some hope of marrying and enjoying sex with God's blessing. Not so, gays. They are forced to remain virgins their entire lives, or capitulate to marriage to the opposite sex, someone to whom they have little or no attraction. Intimacy would be, presumably, as unnatural -- perhaps repugnant -- to them as gay sex would be to you or me. Such a marriage is unlikely to be very healthy.

There should be a special reward in Heaven for gays that remain pure all their lives.

As a straight I could NEVER EVER engage in sex with another guy. Yet so called gay men get married all the time to females and have children.

Pastor Keith · #**138** 07-14-2008, 04:03 AM

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I would probably strongly disagree with that premise without further clarification. At face value you seem to be saying "some are born that way."

I did see a good study that showed a tendency, not a set issue, but that some males have a tendency to be more effimenate or lean towards girlie behavior based on estrogen exposure in the womb.

The case example that I saw took two twins, under the age 10, genetics they are the same, same environment etc. One acted like a typical 10 year old male, the other very girly, effeminate, the only thing that they could tell you that seemed to be the difference was the hypothesis that the other boy had higher exposure to estrogen while his brother didn't.

With that in mind I still think behavior is paramount and feelings, tendencies don't make the man.

Aquila · #**139** 07-16-2008, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

I agree.

If we are created a certain way and we can't help but be an adulterer, or a homosexual because of the way we were created then it is not our choice and condemnation from God for that sin would be unjust. We could say to God, you made me a homosexual, I had no choice but to be a homosexual.

Likewise if the Bible said everyone with brown eyes is going to hell because it is a sin to have brown eyes. How just would that be? You can't help having brown eyes. You were born with brown eyes.

If we can tell when an earthly judge is being just in his decisions, then how much more will the judge of the whole earth be?

We are altogether concieved in sin and shapen in iniquity. This flesh is vile. The reality is that no man is born righteous, all men are born with a disposition toward sin.

Jack Shephard · #**140** 07-16-2008, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

We are altogether concieved in sin and shapen in iniquity. This flesh is vile. The reality is that no man is born righteous, all men are born with a disposition toward sin.

Good point this is why I contend people can be born that way. Not that people are literally born gay, but all are conceived in sin and born into sin. It is all sin, but somehow it is view as a 'worse' sin to be gay or something. I believe that a person must make a choice to follow or not follow that lifestyle. To some is seems so natural and that is, IMO, cause to use humans sin is natural. Sin is our nature until we change our nature and become spiritually lead.