Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?

[Carpenter]

I don't mind the dancing part, but losing your composure...well...it is a fine line.

I don't like the cultural aspects. Sometimes people like to estimate your level of spirituality based on how you shout or used to shout or if you dont shout at all.

"wow, I wonder whats wrong with Carpenter, he never gets out there and shouts like he used to."

Originally Posted by Rico

Why would I want to let people who have rejected Christ determine for me how I should dance before the Lord?

Lol,, they had to reject Christ... it was predestined for them that you might accept Christ.. their turn is coming,.,. be careful there brother,,,, they were the original worshippers of the one true God... he taught them how to worship him...

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

WYOPASTOR..... his wife was not upset because he was dancing... dancing was a common and still is a common custom among Jewish people... she was upset because he ABASED HIMSELF and shed his ROYAL ROBES and made himself common among the people

II Sam 6:20 puts it all in perspective.. the Pentecostals would be well served to read these verses before trying to use something that DID NOT HAPPEN to justify the emotionalism of Pentecost...

NOW BROTHER, after reading the following verse.. you tell me .... was she mad because he danced or because he removed his ROYAL ROBES?

II SAM 6:20 - Then David returned to bless his household. And Michal the daughter of Saul came out to meet David, and said, How glorious was the king of Israel to day, who uncovered himself to day in the eyes of the handmaids of his servants, as one of the vain fellows shamelessly uncovereth himself!

You simply hear the voice of a JEALOUS WIFE because the handmaids saw David in basically his common garments...... she was not upset because he was dancing before the Lord but rather because he disrobed himself... all the way down to his linen ephod..... rather than portraying himself in his royal garments...

Again you are wrong. Her despite for David was because she saw him worshiping.


2Sa 6:16 And as the ark of the LORD came into the city of David, Michal Saul's daughter looked through a window, and saw king David leaping and dancing before the LORD; and she despised him in her heart.

BTW - David wore the Linen Ephod because he was dressed in the attire of a Priest, instead of a King. He would soon be offering sacrifices to God (2Sa 6:17). A linen ephod was not underwear.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Carpenter

I don't mind the dancing part, but losing your composure...well...it is a fine line.

I don't like the cultural aspects. Sometimes people like to estimate your level of spirituality based on how you shout or used to shout or if you dont shout at all.

"wow, I wonder whats wrong with Carpenter, he never gets out there and shouts like he used to."

Very true, Carp. It's easy to fall into the trap of thinking that way too.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Again you are wrong. Her despite for David was because she saw him worshiping.


2Sa 6:16 And as the ark of the LORD came into the city of David, Michal Saul's daughter looked through a window, and saw king David leaping and dancing before the LORD; and she despised him in her heart.

BTW - David wore the Linen Ephod because he was dressed in the attire of a Priest, instead of a King. He would soon be offering sacrifices to God (2Sa 6:17). A linen ephod was not underwear.

Yeah, but wasn't a linen ephod a type of underclothing they wore? I didn't mean underwear in the way we think of underwear. I should have been more clear on that.

[dizzyde]

Originally Posted by WyoPastor

I seem to remember David dancing and praising God to the point his wife was ashamed of him. I doubt that was a little 2 step dance.

I'm not a real demonstrative person myself, but I've cut a rug a time or 2. I've probably done everything that you think is out of order and I know I have sure felt better afterwards.

I have nothing against cutting a rug, as you call it, I am talking about when people throw fits in church.

I have had more than one very learned men of God preach/teach that what David did was the typical Jewish dance and the outrage was that he removed his royal garment.

As I know who these men are and trust their interpretation of scripture, and I don't know who you are, I think I will go with their version.

[Rico]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

Lol,, they had to reject Christ... it was predestined for them that you might accept Christ.. their turn is coming,.,. be careful there brother,,,, they were the original worshippers of the one true God... he taught them how to worship him...

Brother, I don't recall God ever giving dancing lessons to His people in the OT. It may be there, but I don't recall reading about it.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

Actually he was not in his Undies.. he was in a Linen Ephod which was religious robes rather than royal robes....... the linen ephod would have been worn under his royal garments and then his underclothes under the linen ephod.. so he was not in his Undies.. he was not dancing so uncontrollably that he was in his underwear... he ABASED himself to the common man and was seen in an Ephod in public rather than his Royal Robes....

This I do agree with. Michal despised David because he was not coming into the city as a King, but as a Priest, worshiping God. She was probably a society girl. and felt humiliated. So she despised him.


Of course David put her in her place:

2Sa 6:21 And David said unto Michal, [It was] before the LORD, which chose me before thy father, and before all his house, to appoint me ruler over the people of the LORD, over Israel: therefore will I play before the LORD.
2Sa 6:22 And I will yet be more vile than thus, and will be base in mine own sight: and of the maidservants which thou hast spoken of, of them shall I be had in honour.

BUT the point is that David worshiped WITH ALL HIS MIGHT. It was not some ballerina twirl, but a spinning top that was seen.

Originally Posted by Rico

Brother, I don't recall God ever giving dancing lessons to His people in the OT. It may be there, but I don't recall reading about it.

Oh absolutely,,, precise instruction in how they might approach him... all the way down to the fabric that they must wear.....

He then instructs them to come into his presence with CHOREO... a very controlled celebratory dance.....

Originally Posted by stmatthew

This I do agree with. Michal despised David because he was not coming into the city as a King, but as a Priest, worshiping God. She was probably a society girl. and felt humiliated. So she despised him.


Of course David put her in her place:

2Sa 6:21 And David said unto Michal, [It was] before the LORD, which chose me before thy father, and before all his house, to appoint me ruler over the people of the LORD, over Israel: therefore will I play before the LORD.
2Sa 6:22 And I will yet be more vile than thus, and will be base in mine own sight: and of the maidservants which thou hast spoken of, of them shall I be had in honour.

BUT the point is that David worshiped WITH ALL HIS MIGHT. It was not some ballerina twirl, but a spinning top that was seen.

St. Matthew..... why would he have danced in any other way than he had been trained in? What causes you to believe he would have broken rank with his traditional Jewish dance... which by the way takes alot of might... I enjoy partaking in Jewish dancing at one of our churches in Jerusalem and trust me is wears you out after a few minutes...... yet all Biblical scholars will concede that Davids dance was a typical Jewish dance.. that looks NOTHING like an out of control person losing all of their senses