Praxeas, in my opinion the mere question illustrates a fundamental lack of faith in God. Do you actually think that God will allow your family to be raped and tortured in front of you? No wonder you think you need a gun to protect yourself...I would to.
I'm saying that I'm a Christian. I trust God. I trust that God will protect me and my family from ever facing such a situation. Since I trust God to protect us or to make a way of escape...I honestly don't see a need for a weapon.
Aquila, you are much too intelligent to not recognize how many truly Christian people and their families are still victimized.
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I will, I don't start for a while but I have to donate 16 hours a month of time, I will probably donate a lot more in the evenings.
I had a high school teacher that is now a full time general in the Army that really motivated me to what I can, as I have said before I am politically active and I think this is the best I can do to give back....
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Praxeas, in my opinion the mere question illustrates a fundamental lack of faith in God. Do you actually think that God will allow your family to be raped and tortured in front of you? No wonder you think you need a gun to protect yourself...I would to.
I'm saying that I'm a Christian. I trust God. I trust that God will protect me and my family from ever facing such a situation. Since I trust God to protect us or to make a way of escape...I honestly don't see a need for a weapon.
Dude, you are seriously deluded if you think no Christian family has never been hurt by an enemy or intruder. This stuff is happening ALL OVER THE WORLD. Wake up and read the News. Read about the Sudan. Read about China. It happens.
BTW I don't own a gun, But I am not deluded into thinking Christians can never be harmed by an enemy because God is protecting them. Go study history then come back and talk. It does happen.
BTW that's not faith you have. That's ignorance. Everyone has faith and every Christian certain has faith. How many Christians did God protect from Saul before he repented? How many were protected by God from the Romans? Everyone of them? How many through the centuries were protected? All of them? Are you blind? Are you just ignorant of history and recent and current events? What is it?
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I disagree with the premise. Remaining faithful unto death isn't a "fool's death"...regardless of the attacker's motive or rather the crime is "high profile" or not. Martyrdom isn't always as sexy and glorious as depicted in the movies.
Also, one can protect themselves without using lethal force. Escape or ruse is always preferable over any form of physical violence. Wrestling an attacker until subduing them might be acceptable.
But if God brings you to it...he'll take you through it.
I remember watching Little House as a boy and being baffled about why the paw refused to fire a weapon on occasion when most men would. Same with the Amish.
There is a point when one's Christianity goes to the next level...and the men are separated from the boys.
It is only because of Christian men who realized that it was their Christian duty to take up arms in order to kill their oppressors that pacifists can enjoy today the UNPRECEDENTED FREEDOM to bask in smarmy, self-righteous, pacifist opinion.
I am perfectly okay with people like you and the Quakers holding such view. I am NOT OKAY with attempts to convince others that their view is wrong! Pacifists need to realize that they enjoy their security, safety, freedoms, and freedom from molestation both by the state and by thugs, only due to the fact that other Christians were willing to take a different stand. Show some gratitude. And, if you convert everybody, France will invade.
What you're doing is analogous to criticizing farmers with your mouth full.
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I will, I don't start for a while but I have to donate 16 hours a month of time, I will probably donate a lot more in the evenings.
I had a high school teacher that is now a full time general in the Army that really motivated me to what I can, as I have said before I am politically active and I think this is the best I can do to give back....
Congratulations. I hope it all works out well for you bro.
Aquila, you are much too intelligent to not recognize how many truly Christian people and their families are still victimized.
I know that Christian families are often victimized. However, the question is…did God fail them? Or is what happened ultimately part of God’s divine purpose? I’ve read about missionaries who have been brutalized and murdered by robbers. I don’t remember any family member ever saying, “I wish they would have had a gun.” No. Most admit that while they don’t understand the purpose behind such a tragic loss….there is a reason for everything that God allows. God is in absolute control. He needs no help from you, me, …or a gun.
Total surrender to God also includes total surrender to his purpose and absolute trust in his wisdom. Nothing will come your way that will catch God by surprise. Nothing will come your way that isn’t part of God’s divine plan. For example….
Someone might break into my house tonight and me and my family be brutalized and killed. All of the souls I’ve witnessed to, those in my family, those at work, those I’ve served with, those in my neighborhood….a good number of these good friends will finally come to church. If just ONE person in my family was inspired by my faithfulness and feels the presence of the Lord in that funeral service and they are saved….a soul is saved for all eternity out of my temporal trial. But if a blow the kid away….I just sent a 19 year old crack addict to Hell…forever. I make news at 11.
God has a purpose and a plan for each of our lives.
Dude, you are seriously deluded if you think no Christian family has never been hurt by an enemy or intruder. This stuff is happening ALL OVER THE WORLD. Wake up and read the News. Read about the Sudan. Read about China. It happens.
BTW I don't own a gun, But I am not deluded into thinking Christians can never be harmed by an enemy because God is protecting them. Go study history then come back and talk. It does happen.
BTW that's not faith you have. That's ignorance. Everyone has faith and every Christian certain has faith. How many Christians did God protect from Saul before he repented? How many were protected by God from the Romans? Everyone of them? How many through the centuries were protected? All of them? Are you blind? Are you just ignorant of history and recent and current events? What is it?
That’s a good point…what if a Christian would have blown away Saul? LOL
Paul wrote….
Romans 8:35-39
{8:35} Who shall separate us from the love of
Christ? [shall] tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or
famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? {8:36} As it is
written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are
accounted as sheep for the slaughter. {8:37} Nay, in all
these things we are more than conquerors through him that
loved us. {8:38} For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor
life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things
present, nor things to come, {8:39} Nor height, nor depth,
nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the
love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
True Christians are surrendered to the Lord and his purposes. I firmly believe that God will protect my family from harm. But should harm come our way I believe God will most likely make a way of escape. And should we be killed….I trust that it is part of God’s grand design. You’ll know this much…if I’m killed because I didn’t use lethal force to defend myself, I died being obedient to my Savior and in prayer for my family and my attacker.
It is only because of Christian men who realized that it was their Christian duty to take up arms in order to kill their oppressors that pacifists can enjoy today the UNPRECEDENTED FREEDOM to bask in smarmy, self-righteous, pacifist opinion.
Well that was snotty. LOL
Bro…we are not free because men took up arms to overthrow our oppressors….many nations rise up to overthrow oppressors and institute their own dictatorship and become their own oppressors. We are free by the power of God. You can praise the gun for our freedom…I’ll praise the Lord.
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I am perfectly okay with people like you and the Quakers holding such view. I am NOT OKAY with attempts to convince others that their view is wrong! Pacifists need to realize that they enjoy their security, safety, freedoms, and freedom from molestation both by the state and by thugs, only due to the fact that other Christians were willing to take a different stand. Show some gratitude. And, if you convert everybody, France will invade.
What you're doing is analogous to criticizing farmers with your mouth full.
So should I say, “Praise the Christian killing with a gun!”? Or should I say, “Praise the Lord?” I have news for you…all the armed Christians in the world can’t preserve our freedom once God decides that he is done with dealing with America.
I have another point to consider….God raised up and preserved America thus far not because Christian men fought, killed, and died for her….but because she is the harbor of his people and would serve to be a protector of Israel. It was the prayers of the saints…peace loving Christians…that shifted God’s favor upon America, and the soldier on the battlefield. It wasn’t the gun. Had faithful saints not been praying and seeking GOD on behalf of all in conflict…the British would have crushed the revolution and America would still be a common wealth of England. It wasn’t the power of the gun….it was the power of prayer, saints praying in harmony with God’s purpose in the earth.
A Christian does the nation a greater service on their knees in prayer than shedding blood on the battle field or on blowing the heads off of criminals.
Who defines your spirituality…Hollywood…war propaganda…or Jesus Christ?
Everyone worries about being harmed and so they turn to the gun and lethal force. Jesus asked a question. I’m curious…who’s willing to say, “I am, with my hand gun!”?
Matthew 6:26-27 (ESV)
27And which of you by being anxious can add a single hour to his span of life?
Bro….when it’s your time to go…there’s nothing you’re going to be able to do to prevent it. You can either live in fear clutching a gun like a security blanket…or you can graduate from thinking on the natural plane and surrender all to God’s will and plan. You can go in fear shooting…or you can go in faith believing.
Here’s an interesting question whose answer has deep theological ramifications.
It was brought to our attention that many Christians around the world are brutalized and killed by attackers. No doubt these Christians prayed for protection and trusted God for that protection.
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