Do you believe in Pentecostal Shouting?

[BrotherEastman]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Amazing! You have PROVEN NOTHING. You have only given YOUR OPINION.

I have encountered many Mexicans that speak English as good as I do, and they were never once mistaken for drunk. Have met Chinese folks that spoke their own language around me. I Did not mistake them for drunk. But I did grow up in a church that was in the city of Tamp where many times a drunk would come into the service to find a back seat he could sit down in. There was no mistaken that they were drunk, as they staggered in.

So I would suggest that your interpretation is not correct, as there is not any reason for anyone to believe that someone that either spoke my language, or spoke their native tongue, would be mistaken for drunk or intoxicated. Your reasoning is unreasonable. You are simply fooling yourself if you think there is any logic to your argument.

I come to the realization that the good doctor can do nothing more other than give his opinion. LOL!

[Rev]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

I am amazed that some seem to believe that "old time shouting" is out of order.

Do you believe in what the old timers called "shouting". I am talking about where the power of God falls in a service and folks start cutting a jig, or screaming? I am not talking about the Charismatic 2-step we see nowadays. But where one gets "lost" in the holy ghost. It used to be called "getting a blessing".

The problem is that most so-called pentecostals today don't know the Lord well enough to worship "in spirit and in truth".

(Joh 4:24) God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

The Lord is not able to take over any part of their lives.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Rev

The problem is that most so-called pentecostals today don't know the Lord well enough to worship "in spirit and in truth".

(Joh 4:24) God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

The Lord is not able to take over any part of their lives.

That is why we are called to yield ourselves to him. (Rom 6)

[Rev]

Originally Posted by stmatthew

That is why we are called to yield ourselves to him. (Rom 6)

People are really mixed up. They think that their own personal will is the will of God.

I don't think that will fly.

[stmatthew]

Originally Posted by Rev

People are really mixed up. They think that their own personal will is the will of God.

I don't think that will fly.

no arguments here.

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

The challenge once again falls upon you because I have experienced what I have experienced, and unless you've been there you will not be able to convince the 81% of us that you are right. I've given you a few scriptures, you have yet to prove your case with any scripture. If we are MAD as you suppose, then show us the error of our ways, if not, drop out of the conversation until you can give us something that is substantial.

Oh Brother.. correction.. what few scriptures have you given me?

Tell you what.. list them in a row in your reply,, it will be interesting to see

I actually gave two scriptures to your NONE

Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

The problem lies in the fact that he is trying to use I Corinthians 14 for his argument, but I wonder if he knows he is taking his text out of context. Herein lies the problem, he has an argument, but I have an experience; my experience trumps his argument because he hasn't adequately shown or explained his texts, nor do I think he is capable of doing so.

Yes, and the Polygamist use the same argument.. they have had an experience from God,, a command to be in Polygamy.. of course this command is not in the word its just been their experience....

ANY EXPERIENCE that does not line up with scripture is just that AN EXPERIENCE

Originally Posted by stmatthew

Amazing! You have PROVEN NOTHING. You have only given YOUR OPINION.

I have encountered many Mexicans that speak English as good as I do, and they were never once mistaken for drunk. Have met Chinese folks that spoke their own language around me. I Did not mistake them for drunk. But I did grow up in a church that was in the city of Tamp where many times a drunk would come into the service to find a back seat he could sit down in. There was no mistaken that they were drunk, as they staggered in.

So I would suggest that your interpretation is not correct, as there is not any reason for anyone to believe that someone that either spoke my language, or spoke their native tongue, would be mistaken for drunk or intoxicated. Your reasoning is unreasonable. You are simply fooling yourself if you think there is any logic to your argument.

ST MATT... it is not just my opinion,,, some of the greatest denominations in history agree with me.. .along with Spurgeon, Moody and on and on the list goes.. you act like my reasoning stands alone and it DOES NOT.....

I tell you what ST MARK.. in context you put the drunk scriptures up here along with the 5 or 6 before it and lets see what the drunk statement was in reference to.... peoples worship or SPEAKING IN TONGUES........ lets put the rubber on the road brother.... when its over the facts will speak for themselves.. the DRUNK STATEMENT had NOTHING TO DO with emotions.... for lack of knowing what was going on....... :Man, this must be some new wine,,, something has caused them to speak to us in our langauges.. what could it be"""""""" had NOTHING to do with the fact they say people doing the PENTECOSTAL JERK or the PENTECOSTAL RUNNINg... I DARE YOU TO PROVE IT.. prove to the reader that they were in reference to the peoples PRAISE and WORSHIP........

Originally Posted by stmatthew

That is why we are called to yield ourselves to him. (Rom 6)

Yes, yield to God.. so he can Spin you like a top... run you like a rag doll.... throw you in the floor.. give you convulsions.... make you stomp your shoes off.....

Funny God never did any of these things in his WORD.. but hey they have an experience... so it doesn't matter what the WORD says

[StMark]

Originally Posted by Dr. Vaughn

ST MATT... it is not just my opinion,,, some of the greatest denominations in history agree with me.. .along with Spurgeon, Moody and on and on the list goes.. you act like my reasoning stands alone and it DOES NOT.....

I tell you what ST MARK.. in context you put the drunk scriptures up here along with the 5 or 6 before it and lets see what the drunk statement was in reference to.... peoples worship or SPEAKING IN TONGUES........ lets put the rubber on the road brother.... when its over the facts will speak for themselves.. the DRUNK STATEMENT had NOTHING TO DO with emotions.... for lack of knowing what was going on....... :Man, this must be some new wine,,, something has caused them to speak to us in our langauges.. what could it be"""""""" had NOTHING to do with the fact they say people doing the PENTECOSTAL JERK or the PENTECOSTAL RUNNINg... I DARE YOU TO PROVE IT.. prove to the reader that they were in reference to the peoples PRAISE and WORSHIP........

WHAAAAAT??? I didn't say anything about Drunks on
this thread! You are getting me mixed up with someone
else I've hardly gotten into this thread except for a few
post.

EASTMAM, I haven't had time to get with my brother about
that question you asked. been busy working on my taxes ( yes in
July lol). Look, if folks don't wanna believe in liberty in worship
and want to control the atmosphere and the people and have
dead church, let 'em be. plain and simple as that