Republican Vice-Pres. Nominee is Pentecostal

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by Light

Yes I have major problems with the Republican party. They preach conservatism yet they are the least conservative. I voted for Regan and lost every thing I owned when he shut down the oil industry in the eighties. Once was enough.
The republicans have been in power 8 years in the white house and 12years in congress plus a majority of supreme court justices.
They have made only a token attempt on abortion because they know if they over rule Roe V Wade they will have no hot button issue to get your vote. Abortion will be an issue four years from now even if McCain & Palin are elected and the republican gain seats in the Senate.

As far as strong women I have no problem with the strong ones or those that you may think are weak. I love them all (in the Lord) The choice of Palin has nothing to do with her being strong. The problem is I listened to John McCain for the last 18 mo. and his choice is contrary to all that he has said. Just my opinion.

Dear Bro. Light,

Thank you for your response as it is helpful in better understanding where
you are coming from.

I heard the stories of my father, who was just a young boy, how their
family went through the Great Depression. The bank took my grandfather's
means of making their living. They took his team of horses. Dad told how it
looked like they would not have anything to eat but God sent a "bumper"
crop of fine Irish potatoes. He said they had fried potatoes, mashed potatoes,
potato soup, potato patties, etc. For a period of time, that's all they had.

Talking about hard times, but God brought them through and out of that
"wilderness" journey. A short time afterward the "apostolic" message of truth
came their way.Just as the children of Israel, they went through their time
of being humbled, proven, to see what was in their hearts, and whether they
would obey all His commandments or not. (What revealed what was in their
hearts?) At first it was very bitter, but the LORD turned that bitterness into
"sweet water" a short time later when they found the "Living Water".

What is in our hearts comes out through the mouth. Words! Written or spoken. From the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. If the Living Water of Life is inside us, it will be made manifest. Our words will be sweet.

Being born as a child of the "Greatest Generation" according to Tom Brokaw,
that generation born to those who served in WWII, I also saw our family as
it struggled through hard times. But as my grandparents had done after the
Great Depression and as I saw my parents as they struggled through their
"wilderness", they trusted God with all their hearts and leaned not on their
own understanding, but in all their ways acknowleded Him and He directed
their paths.

As a young person observing them. and then my husband and I, going through our own personal "wilderness", I learned well that God could be trusted with any and everything that pertained to life. Learning to lean
and trust God has been a lifestyle. There was never a time to "trust in un-
certain riches". That is never wise! So they didn't invest in earthly things.
such as silver and gold. But they trusted and built on things eternal, things
that would last and and pay eternal dividends. How! By holding to God's
unchanging Hand!

If we don't look to man for our needs, we don't have to blame them when
they can't take care of them. But If we trust God, we never have to be
disappointed. Just look unto the hills (Higher) for whence cometh our HELP.
Our HELP cometh from the LORD who made heaven and earth. God bless
you, dear Brother.

Brother, this also is a bit lengthy, but it just might be IF you would
read real carefully, you might find an encouraging word today.
Bless your heart and may the joy of your salvation be renewed, in Jesus
Name.

Falla39

[Falla39]

Bro. Light,

Aren't you the brother who lost your mother around this time last year?
May the Lord continue to give peace and comfort to your heart, in Jesus
Name!

Blessings,

Falla39

[Light]

Originally Posted by Falla39

Bro. Light,

Aren't you the brother who lost your mother around this time last year?
May the Lord continue to give peace and comfort to your heart, in Jesus
Name!

Blessings,

Falla39

Yes mam, A year ago the 15th of August. The wife and I were scheduled to go to Brazil the 8th and my mother had the stroke the 5th. We had a wonderful service that Sunday morning and for some reason my granddaughter took some video of the service. Mom was smiling as she played her mandolin. One person received the HG that morning. Thank you for the encouraging words of your previous post.

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by Light

Yes mam, A year ago the 15th of August. The wife and I were scheduled to go to Brazil the 8th and my mother had the stroke the 5th. We had a wonderful service that Sunday morning and for some reason my granddaughter took some video of the service. Mom was smiling as she played her mandolin. One person received the HG that morning. Thank you for the encouraging words of your previous post.

Bro. Light,

Thank you for your kind words and for sharing that last service.
I am so happy that your granddaughter was able to video this
last service with your dear mother smiling as she played her mandolin.
That, my brother, was not by accident! He wants the best for His precious
ones. He told me what to say to you because He let me know you
were hurting. Precious Brother, Give it to Jesus! He will turn your
sorrow into JOY!!

Blessings,

Falla39

[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by tstew

Crakjak, I understand that. I have been hearing that my entire life. I'm just asking what that means and what specifically the pro-life candidates are promising to do about abortion and what specifically we should expect to have happen so that this is not just a perpetual vote-getter and rhetoric.

Noone is answering that specific question.

I don't know that there will be an answer to this question. Sometimes it sure seems like Republicans use the big A as a bait-and-switch issue. They talk tough (or inspirational, to be accurate) about the sanctity of life, but not much progress is made.

However, more progress has been made under Bush than any other president.

To a large degree, progress is awaiting a grass-roots re-awakening. The radical feminists are more vocal, more pushy, more energized, and more active than the pro-lifers. And not necessarily because more pro-lifers are gainfully employed.

I think we make a mistake if all we ever do is pine away for the big prize: the overturning of Roe. There are tactics, strategy, steps, and a lot of winning peoples' hearts that need to happen first.

Even if Roe is overturned, many abortions will still occur, because it will revert to the rights of the individual states to decide. Unless there is a constitutional amendment. While I am all for states' rights, nothing short of a miracle is going to stop the increasing centralization of control. What a pity we are so incapable of learning and applying the lessons of the USSR appropriately.

I feel like some Republican politicians treat me, a pro-lifer, like some Democrat politicians treat Blacks: A token speech is made, party loyalty is taken for granted, and virtually nothing is done on behalf of the constituency's interests. The militant homosexuals are getting more results than Blacks or pro-lifers.

[tstew]

bump...for direct answers

[OP_Carl]

Originally Posted by tstew

bump...for direct answers

Does this mean you didn't like my answer?

[tstew]

Originally Posted by OP_Carl

Does this mean you didn't like my answer?

No, I did agree with that you said, but I was still waiting for a direct answer to my original question...exactly what promises and plans have been spelled out by the many "pro-life" politicians who garner so many votes purely on the abortion issue. Or is the stance going to be perpetually rhetorical. I was looking for the specifc parts of the platform that address that issue, so that we won't be having this same conversation after 4 years of McCain and Palin.

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by tstew

No, I did agree with that you said, but I was still waiting for a direct answer to my original question...exactly what promises and plans have been spelled out by the many "pro-life" politicians who garner so many votes purely on the abortion issue. Or is the stance going to be perpetually rhetorical. I was looking for the specifc parts of the platform that address that issue, so that we won't be having this same conversation after 4 years of McCain and Palin.

The hope is that a Supreme Court will overturn it. True it goes back to the States and there some if not many (states) will stand against it. Thats saves lives compared to what we now have.

[tstew]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

The hope is that a Supreme Court will overturn it. True it goes back to the States and there some if not many (states) will stand against it. Thats saves lives compared to what we now have.

Michael, I'm not talking hope. I'm 32 years old, so Roe v. Wade is older than me. In the ensuing time we have had numerous Republican candidates at every level of government garner support primarily by being pro-life. Since Roe v. Wade only 10 new justices have been appointed to the SCOTUS...8 of the ten have been appointed by Republican Presidents. I am firmly against abortion, but I am equally appalled by the murder of millions of babies being reduced to a talking point and political rhetoric.
It is very telling to me that noone has been able to answer my question and many people have just avoided it altogether.
I just had a conversation about some of this with someone via PM so I'll just add some of my thought from that convo:

I honestly am afraid that abortion has become too institutionalized in our culture to ever be done away with. What really aggravates me is that there was a window of opportunity when abortion was not widespread and common and I feel like if the "moral majority" had been more demanding and less satisfied by rhetoric, something substantive could have been done. In the 35 years since Roe v Wade, abortion has been a political football while at the same time becoming a part of the American culture. For those same politicians to now offer their pro-life stance as a primary reason that my generation should continue to vote for them is almost offensive to me.__________________


I beieve that it is crazy and counter productive to the democratic process to pledge your vote strongly based on an issue, then "hope" that something is done about it. I'm still waiting for someone to give me a substantive plan that the pro-life politicians are offering to justify our votes.

This goes right back to my disdain of partisan politics. It is due to partisan politics that a President can get into office, not reflect conseravtive ideals (in immigration, fiscal responsibilty, abortion, and other issues)...but still know that he will enjoy the unending support of conservatives everywhere.