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Originally Posted by timlan2057
Pianoman may be backing down from this but I'm not.
I felt obligated to respond to Pianoman's thread speculating of George Glass Sr.'s soteriological views since I started the "George Glass Sr. Was PCI" thread on NFCF. That thread of course is beneath the waves with the rest of NFCF.
I don't want to try to recreate that thread here but since some misinformed folks think they've slammed the door on any evidence that GGSR may have been "PCI" in his thinking, I must repeat some material.
That was a great thread; some 1500 posts long filled with much valuable information and civil discourse. Ferd, who was close to GGSR, might not have agreed with all of my conclusions but still contributed much valuable information and acknowledged the substance of my theory.
I never said my conclusions drawn on that thread were anything but a very plausible theory.
However Pastor G responds in typical "ole time pentecostal" fashion when confronted with material he doesn't personally like or doesn't quite conform with his worldview: he ratchets up the emotion and accuses Pianoman and others of being character assassins and/or the infantile assertion that "one-steppers" are trying to claim GGSR as one of their own as if this will bolster their position.
You were GGSR's nephew, Pastor G?
Fine. I respect that.
Not that it makes any difference but I was family too and sat in many living room gatherings with Papa George.
Now, you blow your own first argument to smithereens in that you have a monopoly and exclusive insight into GGSR's mind and heart since you were hs nephew.
Now, if your argument has any merit at all, then logically we should believe you because you were close blood kin.
Fine. Then that means we should put more credence into the words of his own son, shouldn't we? And yes, I've had a couple long talks on this subject with George L (George Lafayette Glass, Jr., to the uninitiated.)
Now if not ... why not? I assure you, he feels a bit differently on the subject than you do.
You also claim you have some of Papa George's sermon notes. I don't doubt that you do and that's a wonderful treasure. That fact led a couple of your little cheerleaders to crow: "case closed!" on the "Mystery Solved" thread.
I tell you what, Pastor G ... I eagerly awaited for you to elaborate on just EXACTLY what those notes said. You never did.
Do you have some of Papa George's sermon notes that said: "I believe anyone who doesn't speak in tongues is going to hell"?
Tell you what ... why don't you scan those notes and then post them up here where we can judge for ourselves what you are drawing your conclusions on?
Pastor G, you don't have ALL of GGSR's preaching notes. Nor do you have the only Bible he preached out of; if you have any at all.
I'll refer SPECIFICALLY to some more of his notes that you do NOT have at the end of this post. I assure you, they are quite relevant to this discussion.
You said the actions of Renda and Pianoman on the "Mystery Solved" thread were "deplorable."
Hmm ... sounds like RRFord when he gets flustered and frustrated - only he uses the word "asinine" as a blanket-catchall when he can't back up his views or assertions with substance.
But I digress.
I'm going to tell you frankly, sir. There were people who posted on that thread who loved Papa George and were close to him and have not only every right but also have substance to back up how they may feel about what he believed.
I respect that you are his nephew but you have no exclusive monopoly on Papa George's heart and mind and what I find "deplorable" is your accusations that well meaning and goodhearted posters on that thread are character assassins trying to smear a man dead for 18 years.
Now ... let's get to some substance as to why I posted my original theory that George Glass Sr. was PCI in his soteriological views.
Much of the prime of GGSR's ministry was spent in Hohenwald, Tennessee, a bastion of PCI thought. There is no evidence that Papa George saw himself as a missionary to those "weak on the message" and as one who preached in many churches in northeast Mississippi and southwest Tennessee I can tell you the radicals were quick to point out those like Cecil Bennett and A. D. Gurley whom they labeled "weak on the message."
GGSR did more than merely tolerate Greer, Gurley, Hansford, Hardwick and other PCI stalwarts; he was a fully cooperating member of the Tennessee
District and was a favorite campmeeting and conference speaker. He did more than just fellowship PCI men over a cup of coffee in a restaurant.
Papa George always fit more the pattern and profile of the "kind old gentlemen of grace" in the PCI tradition and heritage of the UPC; men like C. H. Yadon, Peter Shebley and Howard Goss.
He brought much balance during the early eighties in the Louisiana District when the "fad" was to see who could be the most hardshell and the young bucks like Tommy Tenney and Mike Chance were trying to "outholy" one another. While balance, grace and charity were a fad to some, they were a lifestyle to Papa George.
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I adressed each paragraph under each paragraph and when I pushed submit, it all went away...
So I will do it as I can this way...
First of all... I am not misinformed on the beliefs of GGSR. And the thread I responded to said, "Mystery Solved." I might not have been so gung ho in my responses, had the title presented an opinion rather than a suppossed fact...
I believe my points were clear in that I do know what I am talking about... I wasn't aware you are family too... I don't believe I ever saw you at a family reunion... Not doubting it, but how are you kin?
I was glad to see you respected me as a nephew, but then you said it didn't matter... O well...
I never said I had a monopoly on GGSR.'s heart and mind, but I do know what he has spoken to me...
And in reference to GGJr. I will not discuss my family with you or anyone else on here, nor will I allow you or anyone else to pin us against one another...
As to Papa Georges notes... You say you don't doubt that I have some of them, then in another paragraph you say, "if I do." Well it really doean't matter what you believe, I do have many of them...
One thing I don't get though... I never said he has ever said out loud or in his notes, the statement, "you will go to hell without speaking in tongues." You guys put so much weight on this statement or non-statement... I am a 3 stepper just like Papa George and his two preahing brothers and I have never said you would go to hell without speaking in tongues either... In fact most of the 3 steppers I know don't say that... Maybe you guys hang out with different guys... And as I stated in the other thread, Papa George never condemned anyone to hell period... He was of the thought, I know because he told me more than once, we are not God and not the judge so we have no right to put anyone in hell... But for someone to mistake statements like that to him being a 1 stepper is silly, IMO...
Papa George loved the UPC, again I know because he spoke to me of it... And for someone to question his loyalty to the beliefs of the organization he loved and died in 18 years after his death, when he doesn't have a chance to speak for himself, as fact, remember "Mystery Solved." Is IMO deplorable...
Oh and I never referred to Rhenda... In fact Rhenda and I were PMing back and forth while I was posting... I knew he was her pastor from years gone by... And she says he was a 3 stepper too...
Joel said "Mystery Solved" meaning Papa George was a 1 stepper then said it was just his opinion and that he assumed from what he was told... You say it just your theory... Yet you both speak as though his opinion and your theory are facts...
Papa George loved the guys you mentioned and did more than tolerate them as did many 3 step UPC preachers...
He certainly was a gentleman of grace and a very balanced man... Grace and charity were indeed his lifestyle... Not too many have come up to his level...
I will speak of the other post when I can take time to do so, i am sure tonight... So perhaps you might wait to respond so you can just call me a liar and whatever else until I respond to that... That way you can do it in all one post...
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