For all One Steppers who were once Three Steppers - Page 3

freeatlast · #21 10-08-2008, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

Sorry, I thought you were making an allusion to Acts 10 when you said this to Keith: "very very few realize that to do this, judging one who God has made clean as unjust, is to blaspheme."

This is apparently what Peter got from the vision: Acts 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

Does that mean that Peter thought Cornelius and his household were clean meaning that they were just?

My ONLY allusion Mizpeh was to point out how easliy some folks can judge something that God has made clean (saved 1 steppers) as unclean, not saved.

When you or I judge something unholy that God has made holy ( one steppers) we have become blasphemers.

mizpeh · #22 10-08-2008, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by freeatlast

My ONLY allusion Mizpeh was to point out how easliy some folks can judge something that God has made clean (saved 1 steppers) as unclean, not saved.

When you or I judge something unholy that God has made holy ( one steppers) we have become blasphemers.

If that paradigm (one step salvation) is true, then it would be blasphemy, but if it is not.................

freeatlast · #23 10-08-2008, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mizpeh

If that paradigm (one step salvation) is true, then it would be blasphemy, but if it is not.................

We will give an account for every idle word.

I am glad that you are sure of the conclusions of your studies that you would stake your soul on it.

good luck with that.

I'm outta here

TRFrance · #24 10-08-2008, 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by freeatlast

Keith: very very few realize that to do this, judging one who God has made clean as unjust, is to blaspheme.

Of course blasphemy is no big sin, so go ahead, 3 steppers, and keep judging who God has redeemed or not.

So 3-steppers who hold fast to their view of salvation doctrine are now "judging", and "blaspheming"?

Please. Spare us.

freeatlast · #25 10-08-2008, 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TRFrance

So 3-steppers who hold fast to their view of salvation doctrine are now "judging", and "blaspheming"?

Please. Spare us.

Matt. 5:21 Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: 22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

Luke 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

Rom. 2:1 Therefore thou art inexcusable, O man, whosoever thou art that judgest: for wherein thou judgest another, thou condemnest thyself; for thou that judgest doest the same things. 2 But we are sure that the judgment of God is according to truth against them which commit such things. 3 And thinkest thou this, O man, that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou shalt escape the judgment of God? 4 Or despisest thou the riches of his goodness and forbearance and longsuffering; not knowing that the goodness of God leadeth thee to repentance? 5 But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up unto thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God; 6 Who will render to every man according to his deeds:

Steve Epley · #26 10-08-2008, 03:07 PM

The spirit of delusion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BECAUSE they recieved not a love OF the truth.

Pastor Keith · #27 10-08-2008, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

The spirit of delusion!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BECAUSE they recieved not a love OF the truth.

Would my current facial hair be a sign?

Scott Hutchinson · #28 10-08-2008, 04:16 PM

I can't put anyone in the kingdom Of God or take them out.I preach that it is God's will for all to repent,be baptized in Jesus Name and receive the baptism of the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues ,Acts 2:38 seems to me to be the proper response to the hearing of the gospel.
When people die they are in the hands of a just judge,however I don't want to be negligent in declaring the whole counsel of God.
Perhaps we all need to reexamine our stand in light of the scriptures and see if we if have overlooked anything.

Acts 2:38 is not the truth it is a truth,all of the truths of the bible point us to the truth,The Lord Jesus Christ.

If the Christian faith did truly begin in the church of Acts,then our doctrines and lifestlye should mirror the early or primitive Christian church.

OneAccord · #29 10-08-2008, 04:17 PM

Like Bro. Keith said, I don't know that I quite fit in with either camp. How One Steppers and Three Steppers are defined makes it difficult to piegon hole me in either category.

The classic "3 step" veiw never quite made sense to me, even in the days when I "complied" with what was the "accepted 3 step view". To me, and I don't mean this with disrespect, salvation becomes a carrot dangled in front on the new convert, almost, but not quite, within reach.

We urge sinners to repent, and, when they have done so, we rejoice, but then tell them they are not saved yet. We tell them they must be baptized according to Acts 2:38.

They do so, and, again, we rejoice. But then the new convert is told they aren't saved yet, not until they recieve the Holy Ghost and speak in tongues. Then the "tarrying" ritual commences, they seek and seek because they are told the Holy Ghopst is something they MUST have, and, in affect, is something to be earned, rather than a free gift promised to every believer.

Finally the newly repented and freshly baptized believer recieves the Holy Ghost and are now saved. If....

If they submit to, comply with, and abide by the "standards" Then of course, they must have a complete understanding of the Oneness of the Godhead.

Salvation, that free and precious gift that Jesus purchased on Calvary and willingly gives to all who turn to him becomes an arduous, almost impossible task to obtain

I taught the 3 step view for years. But, when I was removed from the influence of that teaching, and studied things out for and by myself, the Lord opened my understanding that salvation is granted at repentance, when we die to sin. But, just as Jesus was buried, we, too, are to buried in His Name as a testament to the fact the the "old man and his deeds" died at the altar of repentance. And the Holy Ghost, the free gift is God, is vital in giving us power to overcome temptation and live a victorious Christian life.

If it is thought that something or someone on this forum influenced me, the answer would be "no". However, some things have been said on this forum that have "solidified" my belief.... and it wasn't spoken by any onesteppers. It was, ironically enough, 3 steppers who helped open my understanding to how I see the Word of God on this issue.

Scott Hutchinson · #30 10-08-2008, 04:26 PM

I'm happy for what happens at repentance,but truthfully I can't see anybody being able to live for God without the Holy Ghost,because we don't have the ability in our flesh to please God,but if we abide in The power of God,we will have the power afforded to us through the Holy Ghost to live for God.

In ourselves we are no match to overcome satan,but through the power of God,we can pull down satanic strongholds in this world.