I completely disagree. You can have authority over a child without hitting them. It may require more work, but it can be done.
I agree, and I believe it causes fear and not respect if you hurt a child.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
The law varies from state to state, though, doesn't it?
Yes it is state regulated and the one I was referring to is Florida.
I believe in spanking but rarely and only if the child puts him/her self in danger or puts another in danger. The punishment should be equal to the offense.
Abuse happens when the punishment far exceeds the offense. Those who have been harshly dealt with often continue the pattern of abuse through their own children.
"Barnett struck hard enough to cause purplish bruises about four inches in width, the complaint stated."
No one *needs* to or *has a responsibility to* spank their child hard enough to cause "purplish bruises four inches in width."
You do NOT have a biblical mandate to spank your children. You do have a mandate to raise them in the fear and admonition of the Lord, to provoke them NOT to anger, to raise them up in the way they should go, etc. I agree that the Bible allows spanking, but it is certainly NOT commanded, nor is it the only way to discipline a child. It is WAY overused in the church world, and in many cases it's a first resort, instead of a last, because parents want to spend less time actually training and teaching their children, and just do a little impulse control.
I certainly do not see any need to ever bruise a child. I have swatted my girls pretty good on the behind before, and I have NEVER left a mark. I can't imagine what kind of force would be necessary in order to leave a mark, and I think a parent would have to be angry in order to do so. JMO
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
Anyway, I don't think it was "two swats" that landed the Dad in court. I think it was the large "purplish bruises" that got him there.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
"Barnett struck hard enough to cause purplish bruises about four inches in width, the complaint stated."
No one *needs* to or *has a responsibility to* spank their child hard enough to cause "purplish bruises four inches in width."
You do NOT have a biblical mandate to spank your children. You do have a mandate to raise them in the fear and admonition of the Lord, to provoke them NOT to anger, to raise them up in the way they should go, etc. I agree that the Bible allows spanking, but it is certainly NOT commanded, nor is it the only way to discipline a child. It is WAY overused in the church world, and in many cases it's a first resort, instead of a last, because parents want to spend less time actually training and teaching their children, and just do a little impulse control.
I certainly do not see any need to ever bruise a child. I have swatted my girls pretty good on the behind before, and I have NEVER left a mark. I can't imagine what kind of force would be necessary in order to leave a mark, and I think a parent would have to be angry in order to do so. JMO
We had a little girl, maybe 18 months old, in our daycare many years ago. The weekends that she spent with her father [her parents were divorced] she came back with purple & Blue upper legs and total buttocks. We didn't know what to do about it way back then...I feel so bad now because we should have called CPS to pick the child up.
I believe spanking has it's place, and I have used it. But I also believe that there are a lot other alternatives available and spanking shouldn't always be your first choice. Spanking when your angry or mad is physical abuse.
I don't agree that children that aren't spanked are brats or spoiled. However I believe that children with parents that don't follow through with punishment after it's been threatened are the ones raising brats. I get so tired of hearing parents say, "if you don't quit, I'm going to _____" and when the child don't quit there is no consequence for the action only more threats which are never carried out. Before you make a threat, make sure it's something you are willing to carry out. Children need limits, then need consistancy, and they need to know that "no matter what" they are loved.
Re: 2 swats puts Dad in court
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