Again, I have to ask the question exactly how do you know God isnt behind the creation of Israel? (besides your personal partial preterist views of course)
Did Jesus come down and tell you that?
Deut 30 states it. God created Israel when it was created . But Deut 30 conflicts with the idea that God would be behind establishing Israel today when they refuse to abide by His law.
Deuteronomy 30:1-4 KJV And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee, (2) And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul; (3) That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee. (4) If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:
And wonderfully enough, the Jews against Zionism cite this very same reason!
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
It isn't kookiness Ferd, there is chatter & much speculation going around that Israel will launch a pre emtive strike against Iran in the spring after Obama is sworn in.
Remember Biden's "he will be tested?"
Won't that bring peace to the Middle East? Sure!
I ain't no Iranian fan either, thier President is a few fruit loops short of a full bowl if you ask me!
Chatter? Ron if I was in charge of Israel, that attack on Iran would have already happened. It would be vicious and complete and Akamadinapuke would be speaking caveman when I was done.
But what does that have to do with the price of tea in china? So Israel is in a position to need to blast Iran a good one. how is that proof that they would rather enter into a trade agreement with Iran?
My Lord Brother, do you hear yourself? Do you really think Israel is the ones seeking war here?
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"Furthermore, the Torah teaches (Deuteronomy 30:3) that G-d will be the One to redeem us from exile. The Talmud explains further that any human attempts to bring an end to the Jewish exile will fail. To support such an attempt, made by Jews ignorant of their own Torah and Talmud, is not supporting the Jewish people."
"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
Chatter? Ron if I was in charge of Israel, that attack on Iran would have already happened. It would be vicious and complete and Akamadinapuke would be speaking caveman when I was done.
But what does that have to do with the price of tea in china? So Israel is in a position to need to blast Iran a good one. how is that proof that they would rather enter into a trade agreement with Iran?
My Lord Brother, do you hear yourself? Do you really think Israel is the ones seeking war here?
It is not a matter of who wants peace.
__________________ ...MY THOUGHTS, ANYWAY.
"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
Chatter? Ron if I was in charge of Israel, that attack on Iran would have already happened. It would be vicious and complete and Akamadinapuke would be speaking caveman when I was done.
But what does that have to do with the price of tea in china? So Israel is in a position to need to blast Iran a good one. how is that proof that they would rather enter into a trade agreement with Iran?
My Lord Brother, do you hear yourself? Do you really think Israel is the ones seeking war here?
Ferd, as much as I have wanted in my flesh, to see a parking lot in the Middle East---it ain't of God!
These religious Jews should need to be heard! They claim God is ensuring it does not bring peace and is making the world suffer for it.
__________________ ...MY THOUGHTS, ANYWAY.
"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
Deut 30 states it. God created Israel when it was created . But Deut 30 conflicts with the idea that God would be behind establishing Israel today when they refuse to abide by His law.
Deuteronomy 30:1-4 KJV And it shall come to pass, when all these things are come upon thee, the blessing and the curse, which I have set before thee, and thou shalt call them to mind among all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath driven thee, (2) And shalt return unto the LORD thy God, and shalt obey his voice according to all that I command thee this day, thou and thy children, with all thine heart, and with all thy soul; (3) That then the LORD thy God will turn thy captivity, and have compassion upon thee, and will return and gather thee from all the nations, whither the LORD thy God hath scattered thee. (4) If any of thine be driven out unto the outmost parts of heaven, from thence will the LORD thy God gather thee, and from thence will he fetch thee:
And wonderfully enough, the Jews against Zionism cite this very same reason!
and I dont agree at all. Nothing there says that Israel has to be set up with as some kind of religious nation based upon an overtly religious set of laws.
God said he would gather and turn their hearts to him.
I know more than the average person about the history here. How Israel becamse a nation is well within the relm of the Miraculous. You have to ignor quite a bit to suggest that God had no hand here.
Why did those early Jews succeed when they were out manned and out gunned?
how did they survive the 6 day war when they were out classed in every way?
I could go on. I will stop there. I dont agree with you AT ALL that Israel as it is currently constituted, isnt by Gods will. I dont know that and neither do you.
And at the end of the day, I still suspect that your goal here is that we step back from support of Israel as a nation entirely. That really bothers me.
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and I dont agree at all. Nothing there says that Israel has to be set up with as some kind of religious nation based upon an overtly religious set of laws.
God said he would gather and turn their hearts to him.
I know more than the average person about the history here. How Israel becamse a nation is well within the relm of the Miraculous. You have to ignor quite a bit to suggest that God had no hand here.
Why did those early Jews succeed when they were out manned and out gunned?
how did they survive the 6 day war when they were out classed in every way?
I could go on. I will stop there. I dont agree with you AT ALL that Israel as it is currently constituted, isnt by Gods will. I dont know that and neither do you.
And at the end of the day, I still suspect that your goal here is that we step back from support of Israel as a nation entirely. That really bothers me.
Ferd, many times I have been out of God's will, but not once was I out of his care!
That is the issue!
God's will. That doesn't mean he will let Israel get squished by it's enemies no different than God isn't allowing the US or Canada become vaporised because we allow gay marriage & abort babies.
I think also Bro Blume is saying & correct me if I am wrong, that we don't need to support Israel for religious purposes, but for practical or humanitarian purposes much the same that US supports Canada!
---it ain't of God!
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