Jews Against Zionism

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Originally Posted by mfblume

Nobody said it is anti-God. It is just secular and not based upon God. That's all. The nation of Israel was started by Zionism alone.



Something against God is a far cry from something that is simply secular. The point is whether or not God is INTO IT. There are millions of dollars being sent to Israel for religious reasons from the USA. In fact, Christian Zionist influence is behind much of that financing, if not most of it.

And we are simply saying the root cause for Israel as a nation is not God. Not saying it is against God, although the Jews Against Zionism claim there should not be a nation of Israel there if they are not religiously adhering to God's law.

I think people do not realize that Israel was always unique. They wanted to be like other nations, in Samuel's day, and God told Samuel they rejected Him in doing so. Israel was never meant to be a nation aside from God's law-keeping. We cannot say it is similar to any other nation simply wanting to exist. God created the nation in the first place, and it is technically something that should not exist without God's influence.



I agree in a sense. It is a nation. people have a right to be a nation if they want. But there is also the issue of God's entire purpose for it. It is like God starting the church, and then after centuries the church wishes to cast away all requirements of God involved in it, and simply be another social club among many. In some senses this is exactly what happened in some denominations. At any rate, that would be technically ridiculous.



I completely disagree with bringing any harm to it! However, thinking God is involved with it when in actuality He is not, is quite another thing, and actually the point of this thread.



I think it is to inform Christians that God is not involved in Israel today, and that if they are supporting it for religious reasons, they are wrong. Would that change people's support if they knew Israel was no different than any other country?

Christian Zionists like John Hagee are pushing support for religious reasons, thinking God is behind it. They are in grave error.

Support Israel aside from any inkling of religious reasons, if we wish! But I think many would cease if they knew God is not involved in that nation whatsoever.

Again, I have to ask the question exactly how do you know God isnt behind the creation of Israel? (besides your personal partial preterist views of course)

Did Jesus come down and tell you that?