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11-19-2008, 09:23 AM
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Re: If Physical Death is Final?
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You are refering to the prodigal son. First of all this is a parable, and thus this is not a real story but one that is placed to teach a point. Well, an analogy is only as strong as the parts are similar. You use the prodigal son as an example of the person who has died and later gets reconciled to God. This analogy is very very weak. The prodigal son was not dead in this story the UR beliefs are based on the dead. You say the prodigal son received his reward. Do not many writers talk about the Kindgom of God that is within us (i.e. our inheritance).
Thus, the prodigal parable is a perfect example of one who has come into the fullness of God and later backslides and walks away from God. This prodigal comes back to God before his death. Your analogy cannot be used to support the UR doctrine.
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If ye believe not that I AM, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24
Mone me, amabo te, si erro
No real problem exists over the use of "The Name" in everthing else done in the Church. Why then should there exist great controversy over the use of the "The Name of the Godhead" in water baptism?
Kevin J. Conner The Name of God p. 92
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11-19-2008, 09:33 AM
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Re: If Physical Death is Final?
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You are refering to the prodigal son. First of all this is a parable, and thus this is not a real story but one that is placed to teach a point. Well, an analogy is only as strong as the parts are similar. You use the prodigal son as an example of the person who has died and later gets reconciled to God. This analogy is very very weak. The prodigal son was not dead in this story the UR beliefs are based on the dead. You say the prodigal son received his reward. Do not many writers talk about the Kindgom of God that is within us (i.e. our inheritance).
Thus, the prodigal parable is a perfect example of one who has come into the fullness of God and later backslides and walks away from God. This prodigal comes back to God before his death. Your analogy cannot be used to support the UR doctrine.
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well, the father conisdered him dead already. It was a type resurrection??
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The sinful thoughts subdue,
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And someday master you. --Anon.
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11-19-2008, 09:36 AM
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Re: If Physical Death is Final?
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Originally Posted by bkstokes
You are refering to the prodigal son. First of all this is a parable, and thus this is not a real story but one that is placed to teach a point. Well, an analogy is only as strong as the parts are similar. You use the prodigal son as an example of the person who has died and later gets reconciled to God. This analogy is very very weak. The prodigal son was not dead in this story the UR beliefs are based on the dead. You say the prodigal son received his reward. Do not many writers talk about the Kindgom of God that is within us (i.e. our inheritance).
Thus, the prodigal parable is a perfect example of one who has come into the fullness of God and later backslides and walks away from God. This prodigal comes back to God before his death. Your analogy cannot be used to support the UR doctrine.
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My friend, you deny me the use of the prodigal son parable to exemplify the powerful love of our Heavenly Father. Then use it to support what you believe that it exemplifies, if you'll consider the story carefully I believe you will see the greater love of the Father, He never quits looking and longing for the return of His son, He never considered Him less than His son.
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11-19-2008, 11:38 AM
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Re: If Physical Death is Final?
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Originally Posted by crakjak
My friend, you deny me the use of the prodigal son parable to exemplify the powerful love of our Heavenly Father. Then use it to support what you believe that it exemplifies, if you'll consider the story carefully I believe you will see the greater love of the Father, He never quits looking and longing for the return of His son, He never considered Him less than His son.
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Nevertheless, his physical death did not take place. Thus, it cannot be used as the UR believers want to use it.
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If ye believe not that I AM, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24
Mone me, amabo te, si erro
No real problem exists over the use of "The Name" in everthing else done in the Church. Why then should there exist great controversy over the use of the "The Name of the Godhead" in water baptism?
Kevin J. Conner The Name of God p. 92
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11-19-2008, 02:46 PM
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Re: If Physical Death is Final?
I don't believe the parable of the prodigal teaches universalism. But it does teach the Father's undying love for his children. Is not God the same yesterday, today, and forever? If God can deliver in life...is he incapable of delivering in death? Take into consideration the Dispensational teaching of Christ setting all the souls in Paradise (Abraham's Bosom) free who died under the Old Dispensation and how the gospel was preached to the dead during the three days that Christ was in the heart of the earth.
God doesn't ever change...
Romans 8:38-39
38For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Just a thought.
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11-19-2008, 02:49 PM
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Re: If Physical Death is Final?
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I don't believe the parable of the prodigal teaches universalism. But it does teach the Father's undying love for his children. Is not God the same yesterday, today, and forever? If God can deliver in life...is he incapable of delivering in death? Take into consideration the Dispensational teaching of Christ setting all the souls in Paradise (Abraham's Bosom) free who died under the Old Dispensation and how the gospel was preached to the dead during the three days that Christ was in the heart of the earth.
God doesn't ever change...
Romans 8:38-39
38For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
39Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord. Just a thought. |
Nevertheless, he that believeth shall be saved. After death takes place we pass into the other world -- there is no need for faith then. The only time that faith can be expressed is in this world. One is required to have faith to be saved/reconciled to God. Thus, the only time one can be saved is in this world.
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If ye believe not that I AM, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:24
Mone me, amabo te, si erro
No real problem exists over the use of "The Name" in everthing else done in the Church. Why then should there exist great controversy over the use of the "The Name of the Godhead" in water baptism?
Kevin J. Conner The Name of God p. 92
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11-19-2008, 02:59 PM
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Re: If Physical Death is Final?
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Originally Posted by bkstokes
Nevertheless, he that believeth shall be saved. After death takes place we pass into the other world -- there is no need for faith then. The only time that faith can be expressed is in this world. One is required to have faith to be saved/reconciled to God. Thus, the only time one can be saved is in this world.
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“Saved” yes….”reconciled” no. Those in Abraham’s bosom who died in the old dispensation didn’t have “faith” nor were they “saved” in the New Testament sense, however, they were reconciled to God.
The point is…UR teaches that those who do not have faith will not be saved from God’s punishment. They will endure it until they have paid the price and are reconciled to God.
Don’t confuse the ultimate reconciliation of the unsaved with the salvation of the saved.
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