TRANSCRIPT Of Message By HANEY!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Cindy]

I wish churches had libraries.

[jimmyrrs]

Originally Posted by StMark

DID you see this!!!! This is transcribed from the Message that Haney preached where he talked about his big meeting with the Charismatic Leaders!!! This was posted on another preacher's forum!!



"This past week I was called upon to attend a forum in Southern California... Irvine area.

Actually, I had just canceled those three days about a month and a half before, and so when they called they said, "The meeting is urgent, we're sorry we could only let you know a week and a half in advance, but we feel it's of great importance and we want you, please Reverend Haney, to come." I asked my secretary, "Am I free?" she said, "you're free." I said, "Tell them I'll be there."

That meeting was a meeting of most all of the leaders of Pentecostal, quote/unquote, organizations and denominations in America. And most so-called "Charismatic" leaders. Talk about "The Great Speckled Bird", that was me! The discussion was on the subject of "What has happened to the Pentecostal/Charismatic Movement? It has lost something." Now, because of my position as the leader of the largest Oneness Pentecostal organization in the world, that's why I was there.

That evening in the discussion as I sat next to Dr. Jack Hayford, there were people there like Dr. Vinson Synan the notorious historian of Pentecostalism and others. Dr. Synan said to me at a coffee break, "Brother Haney, you people have found something that the rest of these folks don't know. What's going on?" He said, "You're still happy to be called Pentecostals and proud of it." I said, "Yes sir! I'm one of them!"

The discussion that night blew me out of the water, so to speak. I never dreamed in my wildest imagination that I would ever hear the kind of discussion... I'm talking about the largest Charismatic movements in the world there... and they were saying things like this; "Charismaticism will be over in the next two years... it's dying... we have nothing" things like this. This is the reason I'm not naming some of the people that were present there, because they were honest and they were sincere, and I became a friend to them. But they would say things like this, "we're sick of the froth and the foam. Nobody ever preaches on the Cross anymore." One of them said, "we hardly ever hear a message on repentance, and we're dying." It was amazing to hear. In fact, one young man who was over a large youth organization that is all across America got there a little late for the discussion, so when he walked in... we had already had a pretty lengthy discussion... one of the moderators, I think it was Jack Hayford over that session asked, "Ron, do you have anything to say?" He said, "Yes I do... I don't know what you've said, but I'm sick and tired of preachers getting a divorce one week and being on television preaching the next week." He said, "I think we ought to protest every TV station that would have such a man."

Folks, that's not one of us, that's them!

Why are you telling us all this? I'm telling you, we've got a hold of something so great, we can't afford to sell it out, and we'd better thank God we have it, and everyday you ought to talk in tongues and say, "I think you, Jesus for a pure heart! I thank you for a pastor that will preach the Truth to me! The unadulterated Word of God!"

In fact that night, I said... before... I said, "Gentlemen, I want to say something here. I never dreamed I would hear what I have heard from you. But this is the way we believe." In one discussion I was in, they said, "Well only about 20% of our new converts even receive the Holy Ghost." And I said, "I can answer that for you. When you preach it as a prerogative, it won't happen much longer. But when you preach it as part of the plan..." As the matter of fact, you may remember our choir from here sang at our great Azusa Street celebration. I was on the steering committee for that, and that same group from all around the world and from North America came, but the United Pentecostal Church rented the Olympic auditorium, and friends, we worked for almost a year before we got there, and people were getting the Holy Ghost in churches all around there... Pentecostal churches of course... you... Oneness Pentecostal churches. I remember driving up to the Olympic auditorium, I'd been in it, it seated a little over 6,000, but driving up to it, that night, and it was so packed there were lines outside trying to get in there. Many of these other groups had functions going, but there wasn't lines out there. As a matter of fact, in 10 days of activities there, 1400 received the baptism of the Holy Ghost in our meetings.. OUR meetings. Because we preach! And I doubt the whole bunch of them had a hundred receive the Holy Ghost in all of their meetings, because they don't preach it as part of the plan! "If you need a little extra 'boost', get the Holy Ghost." But Jesus said, "Ye SHALL receive power" As a matter of fact, everyone that was in the upper room was speaking in other tongues... EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM! Nobody was missed! This is a gift! And we'd better hold on to it as a gift every day of our lives and thank God for this wonderful gift of the Holy Ghost. Thank God for the revelation of who God really is! How many of you know that Jesus is God manifested in the flesh, and beside Him there is no other! This is the gift of God!

I find folks all over that want to be involved in some kind of a ministry, but I remind you that you have no ministry aside from the Holy Ghost."

StMark, tell me you did not copy something on wordshare and post here. From my knowledge that is a no no on their forum.

[StillStanding]

Originally Posted by Cindy

I wish churches had libraries.

I wish churches had wi-fi, so i could google "facts" told in illustrative stories! hahaha

(I could also find the latest scores of my favorite teams! )

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by StMark

Churches are suppose to be sacred places, spiritual centers that we reverance. Jesus said my house shall be called a house of prayer.

If I want entertainment, I can go to disney. If I want coffee, there are plenty of starbucks on the way to church.

While I don't think it's wrong to provide fellowship, or have those things, I just think that often churches have to resort to trickery and gimmicks to get people to come because they lack the anointing that is SUPPOSE to draw men to christ.









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Have you ever had a potluck dinner at your church? Has your church ever made peanut brittle to sell, or any other such fundraising tool?

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Mr. Steinway

I wish churches had wi-fi, so i could google "facts" told in illustrative stories! hahaha
(I could also find the latest scores of my favorite teams! )

LOLOLOLOL!!!!

Like an UPC Urban Legends site?

[StMark]

Originally Posted by jimmyrrs

StMark, tell me you did not copy something on wordshare and post here. From my knowledge that is a no no on their forum.

nope, got it from a pastor ( emailed to me)... he's on ws

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by scotty

So He threw them out for over charging for an item that was necessary in the tabernacle. And you don't think He would throw them out for selling things that are not neccessary ?

He threw them out for "over charging" for necessary sacrifices.

Has your church ever made peanut brittle, or hosted any fund raising events, or allowed anyone to sell anything in the church, i.e. evangelists selling CD's, missionaries selling books, etc?

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by StMark

Churches are suppose to be sacred places, spiritual centers that we reverance. Jesus said my house shall be called a house of prayer.

If I want entertainment, I can go to disney. If I want coffee, there are plenty of starbucks on the way to church.

While I don't think it's wrong to provide fellowship, or have those things, I just think that often churches have to resort to trickery and gimmicks to get people to come because they lack the anointing that is SUPPOSE to draw men to christ.

I think you are missing the point.

The coffee bars are to encourage people to hang out and get to know one another - you know, learn where there might be some needs in their lives and minister to them one on one. Why give Starbucks the money when they can come to church and get it and rub elbows with the saints?

Why would anyone try to "trick" people to come to church - - they either want God or they don't.

[StMark]

Originally Posted by Michael Phelps

Have you ever had a potluck dinner at your church? Has your church ever made peanut brittle to sell, or any other such fundraising tool?

fellowhip and even fundraisers are okay in their place

[Michael Phelps]

Originally Posted by StMark

fellowhip and even fundraisers are okay in their place

So, what's the difference?

If you have a Starbucks in the foyer of the church, I'm quite sure the church is benefitting financially from its business.

Not sure I understand the difference here - no one is making anyone purchase a cup of coffee from the coffee shop before they can enter the sanctuary, if they don't want one, they don't have to buy one.

By the way, most churhes have "fellowship halls" for the sole purpose of "fellowshipping".