Bill Drost

[Sister Alvear]

I thought they had some kind of belief sheet they had to sign?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I thought they had some kind of belief sheet they had to sign?

The Atalntic district came in as a group not individuals.

[Neck]

Originally Posted by Bishop1

He, along with Wynn Stairs , and a group of several other Ministers
all left the UPCI at the same time - Part of the problem was the %
of Missionary Funding being withheld by headquarters -

That couldn't be? Could it?

It always was so amazing to me, how the Mission field ministers had to come home and run around the country begging for money.

Then the board would not pass all the money through to the mission field.

[Sister Alvear]

I hate to go around to churches begging! Not all missionaries have to do this but many of us do...that is what I HATE about mission work...

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I have no personal knowledge of what they personally believed...guess I thought they believed Acts 2:38.

They did believe Acts 2:38.
They preached Acts 2:38.
They practiced Acts 2:38.

They just believed a person was justified/saved/regenerated at repentance and subsequently got baptized in Jesus' Name and received the Holy Ghost Baptism.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Neck

That couldn't be? Could it?

It always was so amazing to me, how the Mission field ministers had to come home and run around the country begging for money.

Then the board would not pass all the money through to the mission field.

That was one reason my sister and her husband left Poland. They loved it, spoke the language, but couldn't get the money sent that they ran around this country begging for.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Sister Alvear

I did not know that. Does the UPC teach that?

When the UPC was formed in 1945 some ministers taught that salvation happened at repentance and was to be followed by water and Spirit baptism. Others believed a person was not saved until repentance plus water and Spirit baptism had happened. The "fundamental doctrine" statement was worded the way it was to accommodate those of both opinions. Some of the UPC General Board of 1945 believed that salvation happened at repentance and some believed all three steps had to happen before a person was saved.

General Superintendent Howard Goss; Missions Secretary Wynn Stairs; Sunday School Director E.E. McNatt; and some District Presbyters (Brothers Greer and Yadon to name a couple) of the original UPC as it was formed in 1945 believed in what we term "one-step" salvation here. The original edition of the Pentecostal Herald (December 1945) said articles could be submitted from either viewpoint.

The "one-step" doctrine does not seem as prevalent in the UPC as it once was. I would have no idea what percentage of UPC ministers would be one-step or three-step today in 2009.

[Sister Alvear]

Well, I know what I personally believe however I am glad that God is the Judge...

[ChTatum]

Originally Posted by Sam

They did believe Acts 2:38.
They preached Acts 2:38.
They practiced Acts 2:38.

They just believed a person was justified/saved/regenerated at repentance and subsequently got baptized in Jesus' Name and received the Holy Ghost Baptism.

I preach Acts 2:38 strong and hard, but God saves, not me. In recent times, I have come to think if someone repents, they have entered into covenant relationship, covenant meaning contract, with obligations on both parties, in the legal sense of the word "covenant".

Should death precede fulfilling covenant obligations, we have an advocate with the Father.

[Sister Alvear]

Guess it goes with the debate, When are sins remitted?