Just Wondering.....

[Neck]

Originally Posted by Cindy

And many in the UPCI God takes care of too.

And imagine the bold step of staying there.

I have never heard it called a bold step to stay in a comfort zone.

When My dad turned in his card in the AOG in 1963.

He was told you will not eat, you will not make money in the field of the ministry.

The Lord took care of him and his family in the UPCI.

See it was not bold to stay it was bold to leave...

Many men in the UPCI some more liberal durung the AS time period.

Then some calling themselves more conserative left recenetly.

They paid a price with their friends, and some even family.

Some lost meetings already set on the books.

Everyone has to do what they have as a calling from the Lord...

Stay or leave.... It is to the person....

[Cindy]

Originally Posted by Neck

I have never heard it called a bold step to stay in a comfort zone.

When My dad turned in his card in the AOG in 1963.

He was told you will not eat, you will not make money in the field of the ministry.

The Lord took care of him and his family in the UPCI.

See it was not bold to stay it was bold to leave...

Many men in the UPCI some more liberal durung the AS time period.

Then some calling themselves more conserative left recenetly.

They paid a price with their friends, and some even family.

Some lost meetings already set on the books.

Everyone has to do what they have as a calling from the Lord...

Stay or leave.... It is to the person....

Perspective Neck. All in how you look at it.

Go with God.

[Neck]

Originally Posted by tstew

Neck, I also know many who left to pursue what they considered to be considerably more financial gain. A broad brush painting those who leave in this light would be just as unfair as your implications here. I pray that we all will realize just how subjective our perspectives can be and refrain from assigning improper motives to many who we really know very little about.

JMHO

hey, don't forget that many stayed and lost their ministries. It is not a broad stroke to be painted.

But it also is not a box that proclaims that God "will not" take care of men who leave....

Men with an honest heart to do God's work servive and thrive.

Those who leave and do not...

It speaks to their heart not their reason for leaving...

[Neck]

Originally Posted by Amos

I don't have to review my "webster" to know the Anglo-Saxon root of the word.

I still think it was a tasteless comment, Sir, the spin notwithstanding.

There was not a spin intended.

I know how I used the word...

I did not refer to any majic spell nor a reference to Witchcraft.

You have to refer to who wrote the words and why.

[Cindy]

Tiresome and annoying isn't it?

[Neck]

Originally Posted by Amos

Has anyone ever read "The Wasteland," by T.S. Eliot?

No but I have read a bunch of Wasteland AFF lately...

[Cindy]

As have we all.

[Elizabeth]

You know Neck, I really think this forum does not give life experiences justice.

We all have gone through what make us who we are, the pain sorrow rejection and victories--all those things are apart of what has influenced our decisions and actions.

How can that be properly conveyed and appreciated? This is of course a rhetorical question.

We have so many different people that come from so many different life experiences. The sad thing to me is, many do not take the time to try to appreciate where some is coming from or where they have been....because we are such a hurry to make our points that we over look what someone is trying to say.

I dont know if that makes sense.

But I appreciate your calm and steady way of explaining things and appreciate what you have gone through and what you share here.

Don't feel you have to explain to us, many of us get it.

[Neck]

Originally Posted by LadyCoonskinner

Well, you used the wrong reference here, bro. Our church isn't even affiliated and we were indepent for about 5 years, so......we weren't with "the Mothership" ( I loathe that term) all the time.

You made an assumption here and it is and was DEAD WRONG!!!!!! The UPCI does not pay me nor do my associations with the UPCI. Yes, I fellowship lots of people. Even people I consider "lost".

I am not ashamed of the fact that I do not agree with some of the positions that are upheld by the UPC. I am not a machine and neither is my husband. We have our own minds and have made decisions that were right, but still hurt us in the district in which we live.....(this was several years ago and it has changed a lot now) Yes, we were wounded in the house of our friends, by the ministry and I had REASON to be bitter and angry. I struggled for years with that, but knew I could not let it define who I was and what I was was and what I believed.

Where I am, what I believe and the financial part has NOTHING whatsoever to do with us preaching the gospel. God is my Provider. I do not hide behind a screen name. I am not ashamed of the stand I take. I'm not afraid that I'm going to get into trouble because I have a different opinion than that of others. I am not afraid to "fight" for what I believe.

So maybe you ought not assume so much....

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Post #52

I made this statement.

"But your view is very one-sided since you gain your position and status from the crowd you run with...".

I did not refer to the UPCI.

I stated the crowd you run with...

I do not know everything about everyone on this forum.

I shared with you my backgroud.

The UPCI comments in my trail of posts were from my background vantage point.

Just fill in the ______________________ whatever organization..... Or independant...

Again you are stuck on the financial thing.

Again whatever crowd or motherships you run with etc.

You have a peer group.

I took major offense at your original tone and words before I ever made my statements.

My point plain and simple.

God is my provider as well.

But I do not call my sales manager up and speak rantings against him or my company.

At the end of the day what we do gives us are income.

Many who have left churches, organizations, companies.

Then feel the freedom to speak their minds.

[Neck]

Originally Posted by Cindy

Perspective Neck. All in how you look at it.

Go with God.

I agree...