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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

I made sure to give you Israeli sites.

You miss the point, we as Christians have no dog in this fight. It is a mess that is fueled by a government that continues to claim a victim's position.

You are not understanding the world view of this, we are not back in 1948 or 1967, we are sitting in 2009. Israel would mop up Gaza with every man woman and child if given the chance.

You are not understanding the Israeli sites you gave me. This criticism of Israel's military is coming from Israel itself. So why do you think Israel would launch some genocidal attack when the Israeli people are the biggest hindrance to such a policy?

You seem to want to smear Israel here with a "blood libel" for something that only you imagine that they would do - and then to substantiate your charge against the Israelis, you tell me the Israelis themselves abhor such bloodshed. You really don't have anything to back up the charge of: "Israel would mop up Gaza with every man woman and child if given the chance," do you?

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

If Israel was trying to seek peace, then why does she continue to constantly agitate the situation by sending her settlers into Palestinian Occupied Territory?

The settler movement is very problematic but Israel hasn't "sent out settlers" for years.

Basically they won a bit of territory in a defensive war - territory that would make future defense more secure if it were developed. They experimented with that idea - even building settlements in the Sinai. But then they abandoned those settlements and the Sinai, and the oil fields in Sinai when Sadat proved open to peace. They did the same thing in Gaza. All Egyptian territory has been returned - only the Egyptians don't want Gaza back.

Currently it is illegal to build new settlements in the West Bank and current settlements are under pressure to close down with the Israeli government giving financial incentives for those who will resettle elsewhere within Israel. All settlements in Gaza were abandoned years ago - along with their expensive factories, greenhouses and infrastructure. The Palestinians tore everything down immediately. They could have used the greenhouses and even the homes - but instead they destroyed everything to perpetuate their "victim status."

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

That's not what you call trying to keep peace.

And they're not doing it. There are settler groups that do outrageous things like setting up "outposts" consisting of plywood shacks on strategic hillsides. These actions generate a lot of attention as do the forced evacuations of the settlers by the Israeli army.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Palestinian kill other Palestinians? Do you have a clue to why?
Because both groups feel that the other isn't doing enough to get the invader out of their land. Yes, Invader. The Palestinian is treated like a prisoner on a reservation, behind a wall, and bars. Having to watch their wives for at least two generations give birth at IDF check points.

Israel is not "the Invader." Your trendy pop culture Pro-Terrorist lingo is inaccurate. The Palestinian people were created in 1967 from the former citizens of Egypt and Jordan. Then the whole mess turned so ugly that even Egypt and Jordan wanted to wash their hands of it.

You exaggerate a couple of truly unfortunate incidences with the "2 generations..." thing.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

It takes sometimes hours to get in and out of the occupied territories, to go to work, hospitals, and schools. Life is unbearable for these people, so they get angry, not only with the oppressor, but with those who are in the jail cell with them. Who they believe not to be working with them to eradicate the invaders. Who side are YOU on? Israel? Palestine? Hamas? The PLO?

The reason for this is to try and slow the pace of the suicide bombers down. You must know this. Why do you ignore the awful carnage that keeps being wrecked upon peaceful Israelis?

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

You should be on no one's side who would resort to bloodshed, and murder.
I thought I stated that before? I really thought I made myself clear on that matter? So, I will repeat myself. We should be for PEACE, not death and destruction of anyone.

An interesting statement from someone who objects to measures taken to impede suicide bombers. First you want to remove the obstacles that were put in the bombers' way; and then you claim that you want to facilitate the passage of suicide bombers in the interests of "peace." I do in fact "choose sides" from time to time. In this case, you've obviously chosen the wrong side.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

No one's human rights should be forfeited. No children should be placed in harms way, and no 4 year old should have their legs torn off.

And yet you want to see more of this? Click the link. Yes, those are baby carriages.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

The BAD GUY? How about balance of power? Do you mean to tell me that there is a balance of power?

What are you talking about? No, I don't want to see a "balance of power." I want to see the "good guys" win, on every side.

Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Come on already, compare the fire power of the two groups involved. Stop and think of what is going on over there and educate yourself. Pray that peace will come, and that the fighting would end when the Peace Activists in Israel and in Palestine wake the government up that brute force and antagonizing the people will never bring peace.

Israel was antagonized by the incessant shelling, mortar fire and rockets coming from Gaza after they had abandoned the settlements there.

hmm... Israel abandons Gazan settlements. Gaza is turned into an armed camp and starts firing indiscriminately upon Israeli civilian targets, Israel responds and Benincasa says it's all caused by Israel "sending settlers" into Arab lands.

Must be pretty late in your part of the country, bro.