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Old 01-29-2009, 08:29 PM
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I'm glad he's helping people but I don't agree with the idea of being gay, but not living the lifestyle.
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"found out" or "realized" according to what he said.

I'm not smart enough about that subject to discuss it very well.
Think about it James, no one "realizes" or "finds out" that they are homosexual.
It's not like he went to a doctor and was told that he has cancer.

I was in a discussion with some people the other day, when I made mention that homosexuality was more about immaturity than it was about a sex act. The group sat back in their chairs and looked at one another, and said to me, you are correct. One woman told me later after the meeting that her friend from Europe said that over in Europe that the homosexuals were not as prevalent there as they are here. I told her that America caters to immaturity and the Peter Pan Syndrome in males. Our nation wide movement of political correctness has sent this country spiraling out of control. No one "realizes" that they are homosexual. It is like any other addiction, people allow themselves to travel down the wrong road. Since this country made the lifestyle "Oprah acceptable," confused men tend to convince themselves they were "born" that way. Or they were always that way. That is utter nonsense. Yet, since our country allows media to blend it into a lifestyle, it becomes more normal to impressionable youth, and the sexual predators who await to create converts out of them.
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I'm glad he's helping people but I don't agree with the idea of being gay, but not living the lifestyle.
Ted Haggard is looking to pay bills, and now he thinks this is the way to it?
Unconverted man will end up back deeper into his perversion if he doesn't come clean and find real help.
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Old 01-30-2009, 07:21 AM
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I am amazed his wife stayed with him.
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I am amazed his wife stayed with him.
I hope she made him get tested for STDs.
There's a lot of "stuff" out there.
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Old 01-30-2009, 07:38 AM
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I hope she made him get tested for STDs.
There's a lot of "stuff" out there.
Yes, I agree. She could be literally putting her life on the line by staying with him. I mean, this guy took the risk of killing her, I suspect with his "problems" since she could get AIDS.
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I guess she's choosing to stand by her man through thick and through thin, for better or in this case...worse. She's probably the best friend he'll ever have. She deserves a medal.
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We all know that due to sin’s influence from the fall our bodies are prone to aging, sickness, and death. We know that there are biological factors that are part of our very nature, especially in the area of attraction. For example pheromones, our flesh responds to these as they stimulate the brain’s pleasure centers. I had read about a blind test in which heterosexuals and homosexuals were given a blind test with pheromones. Interestingly the hetero individuals responded far more to opposite gender pheromone while the homo individuals responded far more to same gender pheromone. The results indicated that “attraction” or “interest” could be hardwired biologically via genetics. In other words…these people were born with this “predisposition” due to biological response.

I think we get all hung up on terms as we’ve been told to define them without looking more deeply at an issue. For example, we recoil at the idea that one was “born a homosexual”. However, we’re forgetting that the Bible does teach that all men are “born sinners”. We’re forgetting that we are at war with our “flesh”, i.e. our “biology”. It’s very possible that “sin” has effected us so deeply it was warped our very physical nature down to the genetic level. There have been studies on people with violent tendencies. There are lobes of the brain that appear to be less developed in these individuals. The lobes in question govern the brain’s sense of restraint. This difference isn’t due to injury, but rather was developmental, i.e. genetic. Yes, these individuals were “born violent” in their nature… or shall we say, “sin nature”.

When a gay person states that they were “born this way” way, I normally respond by telling them, “I know, the Bible explains that we’re all born sinners.” Then I begin explaining the war between our flesh and our spirits. I try to emphasize this is why when they know to go good…they do it not. And the evil that they would not do… that they do. They are slaves to this “sin nature” and that their only hope if they want to be free is … Jesus.

When one receives the Holy Ghost they undergo a spiritual “regeneration”. I believe that some aspects of our sin nature are so powerful we need healing or regeneration on several levels. We all need to be regenerated spiritually to be saved. Also we need to be healed or undergo the renewing of our minds…this is our mental self. The third aspect of our being is our physical self. Perhaps those bound by this aspect of their sin nature need a total touch form God that heals them body, mind, and spirit. God can fix DNA in a nanosecond. He can also renew a spirit and through the study of the Word renew the mind. Instead of demanding that they “grow up”, “repent”, “just choose to change”, etc; maybe we should seek their total healing, maybe this kind requires a miraculous healing from this infirmity.

When they say that they're “born” that way, in a sense they validate the Bible’s claim that all men are born sinners, this is just the sin they are predisposed to. They validate that sin is part of our sin nature, which is rooted in the flesh. They highlight the fact that their flesh and their will were at odds until they realized that it was a battle they couldn’t win all by themselves. When they say they couldn’t choose to change, they are underscoring the reality that they need a Savior.

What do you think?

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Re: Ted Haggard on TV now

I watched the whole thing. I've been around Ted and have had more than one conversation with him. He was even on a cruise my wife and I were on a few years ago.

My observations:
He was telling the truth when he stated that he was a liar and deceiver.
He is a very good communicator.
He is no longer afraid to face the truth.
He's not trying re-enter the ministry and do a "Jimmy Swaggart."
He has followed the counsel of his overseers.
I really don't think he's in it for the money.


Ted had/has the ability to look into the camera and blatantly lie. I sincerely hope he has been delivered and will be able to move on in victory and be able to help other people. I hope that the fame of his repentance exceeds the fame of his fall.

I am not saying he is currently lying. I believe that he has tossed his sins/demons on the table and is dealing with them. What more would we expect of any fallen soldier?
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Re: Ted Haggard on TV now

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I watched the whole thing. I've been around Ted and have had more than one conversation with him. He was even on a cruise my wife and I were on a few years ago.

My observations:
He was telling the truth when he stated that he was a liar and deceiver.
He is a very good communicator.
He is no longer afraid to face the truth.
He's not trying re-enter the ministry and do a "Jimmy Swaggart."
He has followed the counsel of his overseers.
I really don't think he's in it for the money.


Ted had/has the ability to look into the camera and blatantly lie. I sincerely hope he has been delivered and will be able to move on in victory and be able to help other people. I hope that the fame of his repentance exceeds the fame of his fall.

I am not saying he is currently lying. I believe that he has tossed his sins/demons on the table and is dealing with them. What more would we expect of any fallen soldier?
It sounds like the reason TH could look in the camera and lie is that he has a perverted spirit that has control of him. A perverted spirit manifests many ways, ie. perverted doctrine, perveted sexuality, twisted speech and etc. He truly needs deliverance from those spirits that control him or they will destroy him.

Mercifully there is a God that can do that, but TH must want it.

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