Re: Monopoly on Apostolic Identity is no more ....
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
Identity ....!!!!
You don't have an identity?
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Re: Monopoly on Apostolic Identity is no more ....
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Originally Posted by pelathais
The UPC was changed in a way that was unethical and deceitful. This betrayed a lot of people. I don't think we need to rehash the outright lies that were told to get the voting ministers to go along with an extra-parliamentary romp.
So what's wrong with "ex-UPCers" who point out these and other errors?
Dialog on doctrine is fine and healthy. Hopefully everyone is looking for truth but it's the attitude and wording as Ferd pointed out that causes offence when it is not done in love and meekness.
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Re: Monopoly on Apostolic Identity is no more ....
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Originally Posted by pelathais
The UPC was changed in a way that was unethical and deceitful. This betrayed a lot of people. I don't think we need to rehash the outright lies that were told to get the voting ministers to go along with an extra-parliamentary romp.
So what's wrong with "ex-UPCers" who point out these and other errors?
if you are talking about 1992 then I dont disagree with you.
but that is a different argument than what is being brought here.
somehow we are sanitizing the history of the Apostolic movemennt because some UPCI preachers want to make sure we (the current UPCI) doesnt change its idenity?
two different things bro. Two very different things.
and just to be clear, I have some PCI roots. I am pretty well versed in what those old PCI guys taught. to suggest that they didnt have a distintive Apostilc idenity would be a false statement at best.
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Re: Monopoly on Apostolic Identity is no more ....
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Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea
I am speaking of Oneness Apostolics, Edjen
Granted .... Anyone has the right to call themselves Apostolic ... even Catholics do ...
However .... instititutions like USGT are academic instititutions ... that apparently services Oneness Apostolics ... and not just the UPCI.
The discourse, in a forum like this, has always been ABOUT TRUTH, EdJen ...
Truth ... should be our focus ... not just a political, ideological agendas. Any organization should be able to define it's limits ... however with truth being a guiding principle, IMO.
Many today do not know their Oneness Apostolic identity ... in the light of truth ... God's Word, history, logic, etc.
Does truth matter, EdJen? I think it does and we should not run from it ... or seek to censor or sanitize it ... or believe we've grasped every aspect of it.
Apostolic means just that ... of the Apostles ... what did the Apostles teach and practice and do we practice Apostolic doctrine?
not sure what the reference to UGST is about...unless to say that they should teach the truth. I agree that truth should be taught....and truth does matter. But to quote our dear roman friend...what is truth?
What is the Apostolic truth? Is it just what the 12/13 Apostles said...what they did? What about the apostolic writings that are not included in the NT canon? Are they less truth?
Any organization that is ran by man...will have to define its own truth. They will need to have rules/laws/and definitions that make thier "truth" extra-Biblical.
There cannot and never will be universal Apostolic truth for all these man-made organizations. It simply cannot be.
I also do not think that God's Word, history, logic, and etc....are all equal when it comes to defining truth.
most history is written by winners....and they don't always tell the truth.
Re: Monopoly on Apostolic Identity is no more ....
God's should be the only opinion we seek.
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If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV
He hath shewed thee, O man, what is good; and what doth the LORD require of thee, but to do justly, and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with thy God? Micah 6:8 KJV
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1 John 3:2 KJV
My soul followeth hard after thee....Love one another with a pure heart fervently. 
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