Bishop SC Johnson

[martha]

Originally Posted by warrior

He also taught that the world was in gross darkness before he came and revealed the truth. Now, his followers are telling others that and trying to make people follow them. That is an error. There are many who have come to a point of idolotry because of these teachings.

I think this is bigger than saying this man made an error so let's over look him. People are still waiting on him to be resurrected from the dead because they believe in him and him only. This is about the sould rather than a person making a mistake. Bishop Johnson made himself clear that NO ONE else had truth except him. That is why this discussion is even taking place right now.

Martha: YOU HAVE TOTALLY LOST YOUR MIND! THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO ONE WHO BELIEVES BISHOP JOHNSON IS GOING TO BE RESURRECTED, NOT BEFORE THE FIRST RESURRECTION. We believe in Jesus Christ as Lord and savior. We believe that Jesus Christ is God Almighty. Bishop Johnson was just his servant. I hear a personal tone in your posts as if you personally knew Bishop Johnson, might have once been a member of his church, or personally knew someone in his church. Which is it? I tell no one to FOLLOW ME because THEY CAN'T. No one was preaching the truth before Bishop Johnson came and no one has preached it since he died. Take that for what you will but as for myself, I'm scripturally astute enough to make my own evaluation based on what I've seen and heard in the religious world today. Oh, yes, I've heard a lot outside of Bishop Johnson's teachings but it didn't take long before I saw and heard the lies in their teaching. And they're always the same lies: 1. Just accept Jesus where you are. 2. I believe if you prayed that prayer you've been saved? 3. It's perfectly acceptble and alright with God if you marry while you have a living husband or wife. 4. It's alright to live with that man/woman, just as long as you "plan on" marrying later. 5. Water baptism in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost is how you should be baptized. 6. All you need is the baptism of the Holy Ghost. 7. You don't have to be baptized in water AT ALL. 8. You don't have to speak in tongues to be filled with the Holy Ghost. 9. You don't have to be filled with the Holy Ghost. 10. You're saved the minute you "accept Christ into your heart". 11. The gospel at pentecost was FOR THE JEWS ONLY. 12. The Gentiles only have to follow the teaching of Apostle Paul after Acts 28:28, because he was apostle to the Gentiles;the rest was for the Jews. 13. The latest epistles written by Apostle take precedence over the earleir ones. 14. The dispensation of grace began with Eph. 15. 16. The New Testament church started after Acts 28:28. 17. The Acts of the Apostles before Acts 28:28 do not apply to Gentiles. 18. Water baptism is a "work" of the law. 19. It's okay for women to preach, be bishops, ministers and deacons. 20. Women can dress any way they want, without any restrictions and still be considered dressed as becomes godliness. 21. I'm sure there's more but these are the ones that come to mind. I know better than any of this apostasy because I've been taught what the bible says about it and I can read the bible for myself and see what the bible says about it. Where do you fall in this list?

I'm with Bishop Johnson: No one had the truth but him.

[martha]

Originally Posted by warrior

I will say that I don't believe that Bishop Johnson's intentions started out this way. He was so sure that Jesus would return in his lifetime. It didn't work out that way.

Wasn't that what the apostles thought on the day of pentecost?

[martha]

Originally Posted by warrior

many of them choose to listen to the tapes before ever referring to the bible. If the bible reference was ever made they would know they were out of order.

where are you getting this stuff! It isn't true, not at all.

[martha]

Originally Posted by ferd

the good bishop is dead. Everyone just step away from the tapes and find you a good live one god apostolic jesus name preacher!

Oh and the answer to that question "the name of bhsip johnson still draws a crowd. I wonder why?" may have an answer you dont like.

It might be the same reason the name of william branham still draws a crowd. I wouldnt want that association....

you're spiritually stupid.

[martha]

Originally Posted by Sam

I used to listen to Bishop Johnson on the radio but only listened a few times to Bishop Shelton.

Unless I'm mistaken, I remember hearing Bishop Johnson tell about passing the scene of an automobile accident with police around it. He said that a woman had died in the accident and her legs were sticking out of the car. He then went on to say that the woman had gone to Hell. He then continued, "How do I know she went to Hell? Because she had on nylons."

Now there's no way I can tell you the date of that message but it was some time before September 1956.

What I have personal knowledge that Bishop Johnson said regarding womens' stockings, in my life time, was that not wearing cotton stockings would NOT SEND YOU TO HELL so I have to wonder if you might have misunderstood what he said.

[martha]

Originally Posted by Jermyn Davidson

How can one really believe that there is no Son of God in Heaven right now?

Or maybe I'm just confused on the Biblical Oneness message.


Is Jesus making intercession for us?

I believe there is One God and Jesus Christ is His Name, not because I understand every nuance and mystery, but because the Bible says so.

Who died a natural death on the cross? What has to happen to a natural body before it can become a spiritual body according to Apostle Paul? Was the natural son's body glorified? Was the glorified Son of God made both Lord and Christ? Who ascended into heaven on the mount of Olives?

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by martha

Martha: TRF, what profit would it be for me to go and listen to a minister who does not know the gospel? What have I accomplished to go sit under a minister who is preaching error to me just so I can look at an animated body preach lies to me. Don't you know that I would rather listen to Bishop Johnson's tapes that preach truth that leads to eternal life than listen to any preacher, in the flesh, preaching error to eternal damnation. I don't know of ANY MINISTER TODAY, ANYWHERE that's preaching truth. In order to know this, one MUST FIRST KNOW THE TRUTH AND SO MANY TODAY JUST DON'T KNOW THE TRUTH AND APPARENTLY THEY LIKE IT THAT WAY.

Martha, I will say this politely, but directly. You are sadly misled, my sister.

For you to assume that no minister knows the Gospel today outside of SC Johnson is shortsighted, to put it politely.

The Body of Christ, God's church, is bigger than any one man.

There are millions of saints in countries all over the world who have never even heard of Bishop SC Johnson. What do you say about them? These people dont listen to tapes. They have pastors who watch over the flock, provide guidance and instruction, and seek a word from God which they preach each Sunday to their churches. People are being filled with the Holy Ghost, baptized in Jesus name, spiritual gifts are in operation, revival is taking place, and God is moving among them in a great way. It is ridiculous that you people have elevated this man to this level, as if God is now limited. God is not limited at all, my sister. For your own sake, open your eyes and see what God is doing. It's a great big world out there, and God is moving mightily all over the planet, outside of this little "box" (SC Johnson and his teachings) that you folks have created.

Originally Posted by martha

Martha: Bishop Johnson has been dead for 48 years. My husband was baptized in the name of Jesus Christ three years ago. Have you forgotten about God and that He is able to oversee His own or do you trust so much in flesh and blood that God takes a back seat?

Trusting in flesh and blood to oversee the chrurch?
Really? You mean like the apostles, prophets, pastors, etc that the Bible says is part of God's pattern of leadership over his church?? Arent they flesh-and-blood leaders of the spiritual body of Christ?

Do you not know that in the original Greek, the word "bishop" that Paul uses in the NT literally means "overseer" ? Yes, God is the Great Overseer... but He also has placed human overseers over his flock. That is biblical. What you are talking about is not biblical.

Originally Posted by martha

We used to sing an old song called "God's Got a Way To Bring His People Out". My husband is an example of that. God's word is unchanging. It will be the same a thousand years from now, should the Lord tarry. If you've got a preacher giving you a different spin on it from time to time, he's lying to you. If you go to church to be entertained by the skill of the speaker rather than the truth of what's spoken, you've accomplished nothing. If you can put your mind to it you would see that it is THE WORD that leads. It should always be THE WORD that leads, not the man and the vision is The New Jerusalem coming down out of heaven and the vision of Jesus Christ coming in the clouds. What other vision matters? You words sound so very hollow when placed alongside the wisdom of God.

Please. Dont talk to me about hollow.

So lets take your words... and place them alongside the Word of God, ok?

Do you folks even pay attention to Ephesians 4:11-16?
You seem to have forgotten about the 5-fold ministry of the word of God... apostles (plural, not just Johnson), prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers. That is God'd biblical pattern for the Body of Christ. You people are not in line with God's biblical pattern because you not allowing the five-fold ministry to operate among you according to the word of God. Go see what your own bible says about that, and compare it to what you people are doing.

If you take the time to really see what the scripture says on this, you will see... The five fold ministry is to operate in the body of Christ until Jesus's coming ... it didnt stop at the coming of SC Johnson. Plain and simple, you people are out of order and need to get back in line with the plan of God as shown in the bible.

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No more apostles after Johnson? Where's the scripture for that?
No pastors/overseers today? Where's the scripture for that?
No prophets? Where's the scripture for that?

Find me the scriptures for that, and then we can really talk. But at this point, this stuff you're telling me is not just unbiblical, but anti-biblical.

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by martha

you're spiritually stupid.

and you rise to a certain level Martha.

[warrior]

Martha, I have read your responses, and I don't believe that Bishop Johnson was the last apostle. The scripture doesn't make reference to anyone ever being the last apostle.

I don't believe that there was no truth before or after him. Saying that would make God a liar. In otherwords, salvation wasn't available until Bishop Johnson. Now you know that isn't true.

Bishop Johnson did preach that nylons would send you to hell I have a few messages like that. If Bishop Johnson thought the standard that Mary Green made was too strict he had the right to change it as the the pastor. Besides, who gave anyone the right to add to the scriptures. As stated by you, the standards that he set are not in the Bible.

The no son of God theory can easily be challenged with the scriptures. There are several scriptures that say Jesus is sitting on the right side of his father in heaven. With all of the Bible reading you say you do, surely you know about those scriptures. The scriptures say that a woman should cover her head when she is praying and prophesying. It says nothing about walking around with your head covered when you are doing neither. Those are more additions to the scripture.


It is obvious that there are so many breeds of the Johnsonites because there are those who are waiting on his ressurection from the dead.

Anyway, you and your fellow members are so far gone until any other logic wouldn't make a difference to you anyway. In my personal expereinces, I have seen you many people just like you, and it is pretty sad. Bishop Johnson is dead and if God intended for him to still be pastoring people, he would be alive.

There are so many things in scripture that you have neglected simply by being pastored by a tape. You know what those things are and I don't have to tell you. I have mentioned many of them and you didn't respond to them.

Anyway, you are no different than the others that I know. Believe me, you are truly in my prayers that God would give you an understanding. Bishop Johnson's voice will continue to be just an echo because those who truly know what God is requiring of us have a living pastor. The scripture says God will not leave himself without a witness.

By the way, the reason you have not found anyone with truth is because you have convinced yourself that there is no one. Try looking.

[warrior]

Martha, these scriptures prove that Jesus is on the right side of the father.

Luke 22:69
Mark 14:62
Luke 20:42
Acts 2:33
I Peter 3:22
Hebrews 10:12
Hebrews 1:3
Ephesians 1:20-23
Colossians 3:1

TR France, is correct in that God gave gifts to the church for the perfecting of the saints. You guys are not laying hands on the sick and anointing them with all according to the book of James because you have no elders. Bishop Johnson's elders are mostly if not all dead. You have no vision for the church because you have no visionary. Without the vision the people perish, according to scripture.

If you all truly believed in Bishop Johnson's teaching you would have someone to carry on his work. He wasn't wise enough to make an heir to his work therefore, people are still fighting over his legacy, and you all are sitting at home being pastored by a TAPE who can't say a word except it plays back what has been recorded. If you really cared about Bishop Johnson's work, you would get some elders ordained and erect buildings in every city to carry it on. Instead, you are sitting around talking about no one else has the truth. If Bishop Johnson had the truth, they need to say what he said if it aligns with scripture. It just seems more elite to try to claim a monoply over heaven. I understand..... just remember A TAPE CAN'T DO IT. Bishop Johnson's legacy is on life support and other believers are looking at you all like you are crazy you want people to listen to 40 year old tapes. You have no rhema word from God.