No More Walls blog show seeks Apostolic Unity

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Elizabeth

Oh God I probably sound like an idiot!

But yeah there it is-

Nah, Liz ... you were great! It was a hard-hitting question that needs to be asked.

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I love the last bastion that Old Time Pentecost ..... is holding to ...

He says (paraphrasing) if "We go to heaven and ladies you find out you could worn this and cut that and painted this .... it will be okay ...but if you find out we couldn't .... you'll hate me the entire time we're in hell ..."

Let's scratch adding to the Word ... biblical hermeneutics ... rightly dividing the Word ... presenting and teaching sound doctrine .... just take my word for it ... maybe I'm wrong but you're in ...

DOES TRUTH MATTER ANYMORE?

I was repeating some this back to Keith-

Rather sounds like something he has memorized over the years and that is how he has resolved the issue.

but....is it really the right answer indeed.

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

Nah, Liz ... you were great! It was a hard-hitting question that needs to be asked.

You know what Daniel I later called Rev. Wheeler (to better explain myself) and he is an upstanding person that has a true desire to see the walls fall between the apostolics-

So he knew where I was coming from thank God!

[mizpeh]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I love the last bastion that Old Time Pentecost ..... is holding to ...

He says (paraphrasing) if "We go to heaven and ladies you find out you could worn this and cut that and painted this .... it will be okay ...but if you find out we couldn't .... you'll hate me the entire time we're in hell ..."

Let's scratch adding to the Word ... biblical hermeneutics ... rightly dividing the Word ... presenting and teaching sound doctrine .... just take my word for it ... maybe I'm wrong but you're in ...

DOES TRUTH MATTER ANYMORE?

Let's scratch giving a Biblical answer altogether.

[SDG]

Originally Posted by Elizabeth

I was repeating some this back to Keith-

Rather sounds like something he has memorized over the years and that is how he has resolved the issue.

but....is it really the right answer indeed.

I believe it's one of resignation in knowing perhaps the Truth as presented is not "rock solid" and their positions can be refuted.

Most of all, IMO it's a scare tactic used to manipulate and maintain a network.

It also eliminates any honest debate .... It's simply... I am doing this for your own good ... thank me for it.

We are left with the thought that ETERNITY hangs in the balance if I wear a pair of knee-length shorts or don't shave my God-given beard.

Also ... It's rooted in fear ... I've got friends who now resort to this line of defense .... knowing that leaving the message would mean being in the untenable position
of being in unchartered waters. One openly told me ... who would he preach for?

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by Daniel Alicea

I believe it's one of resignation in knowing perhaps the Truth as presented is not "rock solid" and their positions can be refuted.

Most of all, IMO it's a scare tactic used to manipulate and maintain a network.

It also eliminates any honest debate .... It's simply I doing this for your own good ... thank me for it.

We are left with the though that ETERNITY hangs in the balance if I wear a pair of knee-length shorts or don't shave my God-given beard.

Also ... It's rooted in fear ... I've got friends who now resort to this line of defense .... knowing that leaving the message would mean being in the untenable position
of being in unchartered waters. One openly told me ... who would he preach for?

You are exactly right it is rooted with fear-

Actually when you think of it, the word itself contradicts that fear- ...prefect love cast out fear.

I guess I have just realized with men of his generation that is the way they are going to do it or say it. Someone who would come under ministry would just have to abide by what he says- some of us have no problem with that-but not all people are settled with the it's my way or the high way of pastoring.

Although I feel there are alot of things the JA is right on about-he is good at confronting attitudes, he is good at being honest with alot of the fault of the UPC.

[Pastor Keith]

Listening to it right now, Love it, Love it. Jeff Arnold says you have to discern between who is nuts and who isn't. That is the question of the day.

Who would you consider to be nuts when it comes to standards?

[Praxeas]

She sounded like totally awesome!

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by HeavenlyOne

Speaking of Bill, thought you might want to know that he's once [again] Trinitarian with a few other flavors in the mix, but it's ok. As of Feb 3rd, he's truly saved.


Just in case anyone wanted to know.....LOL!

So essentially, he's become a Calvinist.
Poor guy.

But, as my former pastor used to say, as long as there's life, there's hope.

May the Lord have mercy on him.

[Elizabeth]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

She sounded like totally awesome!

You know I was like whoa dude --you know what I mean?

Kind of like a cross between a surfer chick and Caroline Kennedy!