Women speaking in church

[CC1]

Originally Posted by TJJJ

I understand where you are coming from. So would it be fair to say that if you feel like women should have long hair, according to that scripture, then they should also be quiet?

Is that YOUR position?

Absolutely. If you want to ignore that the scriptures about women's hair were dealing with a particular cultural issue dealing with the bald headed temple prostitutes then you must ignore the cultural context here as well.

Heaven forbid that anyone would look at some of these things in the epistles as examples of how to deal with issues rather than applying their answers to their particular issues to us today.

What gets lost is that important distinction between moral law which does not change and cultural circumstances which do.

[TJJJ]

Originally Posted by CC1

Absolutely. If you want to ignore that the scriptures about women's hair were dealing with a particular cultural issue dealing with the bald headed temple prostitutes then you must ignore the cultural context here as well.

Heaven forbid that anyone would look at some of these things in the epistles as examples of how to deal with issues rather than applying their answers to their particular issues to us today.

What gets lost is that important distinction between moral law which does not change and cultural circumstances which do.

Interesting perspectives.

I was just mainly giving the good sisters a hard time who started the thread.

I do think the movement is going through some transitional pains where things are being reexamined in different lights.

I still remain a ultracon!

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by LUKE2447

YEP, I agree CC1 that is why our women don't speak in any place of authority in the church while we are in service. Sing, prophetic word, tongues and interpretation, testimony etc... and that is it. They are to be quiet. Either it is relevant or not. Paul basis his points on God law and natural order. Can't have it both ways.

How do they sing, speak in tongues, etc. and be quiet at the same time?

[shawndell]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

How do they sing, speak in tongues, etc. and be quiet at the same time?

AMEN!!!

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by CC1

TJJJ,

If you refuse to consier the cultural circumstances of Paul talking to the church about women's hair then you must refuse to consider any cultural circumstances for this admonition. It is quite clear;

1 Corinthians 14:34 (King James Version)

34Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.

Let's look at Paul's entire point....

I Corinthians 14:34-35
34Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

Remember, for the first 200 to 300 years of Christianity Christians gathered in homes not church buildings. It was a faith of the home and hearth, not temples like the pagans. In these meetings two or at most three elders would lead the teaching, and if anything was revealed to one who was sitting by the elders would give him turn to speak, all were able to prophesy in turn. What was happening in these small meetings is that women (who were traditionally uninformed about religious teachings) were interrupting asking questions about the things being taught, and as a result side tracking the teaching. So Paul admonishes that the women be silent in the church gatherings so as not to upset the teaching. Please note this wasn't a letter written to the church in general, but to the Corinthian church addressing specific issues in the Corinthian church as mentioned by Chloe in Chloe's letter to Paul.

Women were indeed able to prophesy in the church, for Paul himself said...

I Corinthians 11:5
5But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

It's really pretty clear if you think about it. Even today if women, or anyone else, stopped a teacher to ask a bunch of questions in the middle of a lesson we'd tell him to be quite and ask someone later after the service.

One of the problems in Corinth was that their women were rude and immodest.

[CC1]

Aquila The Hun,

You just proved my point. You took the cultural circumstances of the day into consideratoin when appying that scripture. Yet most Oneness Pentecostals refuse to do so with any other scriptures and claim they don't at all despite this clear example.

[CC1]

Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

How do they sing, speak in tongues, etc. and be quiet at the same time?

LOL!!! Good question.

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by CC1

Aquila The Hun,

You just proved my point. You took the cultural circumstances of the day into consideratoin when appying that scripture. Yet most Oneness Pentecostals refuse to do so with any other scriptures and claim they don't at all despite this clear example.

I was under the impression that you believe women should be totally silent in church, not teaching or prophesying. lol

[CC1]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I was under the impression that you believe women should be totally silent in church, not teaching or prophesying. lol

Obviously you don't know my wife!

[Margies3]

The point is that this man was not saying that women should be totally silent in the church. He was saying that the problem was that women were taking over the church with their speaking in tongues. And that in today's Pentecostal movement, "if you will notice" (he says), over 90% of those in the tongue talking group are women. By the time he was finished, you felt like what he was saying is that:

1) Women are inferior to men intellectually
2) The Pentecostal movement is made up of primarily women
3) Therefore the Pentecostal movement is made up primarily of people who are intellectually inferior.

I don't even go to an Apostolic church anymore, but even I was offended by that kind of talk!!