Is Nationalization Un-American?

[citizen]

Would you like to have somethings amended in the Consitution - to make 'something' American?

[Ferd]

Originally Posted by Aquila

Nationalization can work and often does. But when nationalizing anything we must realize that nationalization is best as a temporary measure in most cases. There's a time for everything. At least that's my opinion.

I dont disagree with the first part of that statment. Nationalization can certainly work. Britan, France and so many other countries have done it on some level and thus we know it can work.


the question is, is it unAmerican?


In Ferd's world it is unAmerican. Without question it is unAmerican... to the point that I call it treason. but there are enough Americans that think we ought to be Europe so nationalization of some things is more than likely to happen....


errr.... I should have said that yesterday because Citi just took that hit.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by citizen

Would you like to have somethings amended in the Consitution - to make 'something' American?

I would not.

I would like to see us return to the constitution and begin obeying it again.

That would be a fantastic move in the right direction.

[edjen01]

Originally Posted by Digging4Truth

If something is "Christian" then it should be biblical. The Bible is the framing document for Christianity.

If something is "American" then it should be constitutional. The Constitution is the framing document for the federal government of these united States of America.

Nationalization is neither constitutional nor American.

reading through the Constitution...I think you'll find that anything that is not is not spelled out as being "National" or "Federal" is suppose to be State governed. This was put there to insure each State retained its own rights.

I think there are National(Federal) programs that are not Constitutional.

I am against most National(Federal) programs. Not that they are bad programs...but I believe they could be better ran at the State or local level.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by edjen01

reading through the Constitution...I think you'll find that anything that is not is not spelled out as being "National" or "Federal" is suppose to be State governed. This was put there to insure each State retained its own rights.

I think there are National(Federal) programs that are not Constitutional.

I am against most National(Federal) programs. Not that they are bad programs...but I believe they could be better ran at the State or local level.

Absolutely.... and the framers of the constitution agreed.

All powers not specifically spelled out in the constitution are reserved for the states and the people.

[edjen01]

Originally Posted by Ferd

I dont disagree with the first part of that statment. Nationalization can certainly work. Britan, France and so many other countries have done it on some level and thus we know it can work.


the question is, is it unAmerican?


In Ferd's world it is unAmerican. Without question it is unAmerican... to the point that I call it treason. but there are enough Americans that think we ought to be Europe so nationalization of some things is more than likely to happen....


errr.... I should have said that yesterday because Citi just took that hit.

it works for them and their system/style of government. but why would we want to live in that type of governmental system? Let the Brits be the Brits and the Frenchies be the Frenchies...I have no desire to live in a country like those....and neither did the framers of the Constitution. thats why we were the first democratic-republic form of government.

we were suppose to be a different kind of government...not a carbon copy of the European governments.

why be like them....when we can be better than them!!

[edjen01]

btw...Ferd...i was agreeing with you...sorry if i didn't make that clear.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by edjen01

it works for them and their system/style of government. but why would we want to live in that type of governmental system? Let the Brits be the Brits and the Frenchies be the Frenchies...I have no desire to live in a country like those....and neither did the framers of the Constitution. thats why we were the first democratic-republic form of government.

we were suppose to be a different kind of government...not a carbon copy of the European governments.

why be like them....when we can be better than them!!

Indeed...

With one comment.... We were a republic.

We have now dwindled down to a democracy and are heading head long into socialism.

Oh for the day when the country would remember the value of that word... a republic...

[Aquila]

I don't see the Constitution as establishing a static government. It's the foundation of our government, however, a number of laws have been passed according to Constitutional procedure that weren't in the beginning. The Constitution provides the legislature the process by which to pass laws and innact various initiatives and programs. I think some folks long for the horse and buggie days.

[Digging4Truth]

Originally Posted by Aquila

I don't see the Constitution as establishing a static government. It's the foundation of our government, however, a number of laws have been passed according to Constitutional procedure that weren't in the beginning. The Constitution provides the legislature the process by which to pass laws and innact various initiatives and programs. I think some folks long for the horse and buggie days.

Yes sir... your position on this has already been well demonstrated by your posts.

You are right that there have been laws passed according to Constitutional procedure but every single one of those laws (on the federal level) are supposed to written, passed and enforced within the confines of that framing document.

Anything that is done by the federal government that isn't lined out as permissible in the constitution is unconstitutional.

And... yes... there have been many laws pass that are unconstitutional. The Constitution has ceased to guide our country. It has become a relic of the past and a nuisance at best.

We will all pay for allowing this error.

The constitution lays out limits for government. Those limits have been run over and laid waste.