T.F. Tenney at the Journey (Mark Johnston's) - Page 9

Aquila · #81 03-03-2009, 07:28 PM

Why has it been so long since we had a serious Presidential Candidate with facial hair?

pelathais · #82 03-03-2009, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

Why has it been so long since we had a serious Presidential Candidate with facial hair?

That's just the world and the things of the world. Presidential candidates all love power and worldliness. The love of God is usually very far from their minds.

1 John 2:15-17 !

William Howard Taft - the last President with "facial hair." The first President to install a bath tub in the White House.

Aquila · #83 03-03-2009, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

That's just the world and the things of the world. Presidential candidates all love power and worldliness. The love of God is usually very far from their minds.

1 John 2:15-17 !

William Howard Taft - the last President with "facial hair." The first President to install a bath tub in the White House.

My point is how does society view beards culturally? If I were a missionary in the Middle East or somewhere where beards were culturally "expected" upon men I'd advise Christians to wear a beard to respect cultural sensibilities so as to not bring a reproach upon the message. However, if in the Western World being clean shaven is more culturally acceptable I'd advise that Christians be clean shaven.

That's the only logical angle I can come up with regarding any notion of prohibiting beards. Personally, I don't think it's a sin and I don't see any serious issue with it.

pelathais · #84 03-03-2009, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by bhoutreach

So to be clear, are old time preachers those who say we should keep holiness? And progressives preachers that teach that holiness is not for today? Just checking.

Holiness is a characteristic of God Himself. Essentially, no matter what any of us do there will always be holiness.

But I sense in your wording here that there is a confusion of terms, at least in what I'm hearing you say. I don't know of a single serious preacher ("progressive" or otherwise) who has ever advocated a departure from holiness.

Perhaps you have reached this opinion by watching people re-evaluate a "dress code?" A dress code is not holiness. If it were we'd all be wearing robes and tunics.

Dress codes change with circumstances and need. Holiness and modesty don't change at all.

mizpeh · #85 03-03-2009, 08:34 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

That's just the world and the things of the world. Presidential candidates all love power and worldliness. The love of God is usually very far from their minds.

1 John 2:15-17 !

William Howard Taft - the last President with "facial hair." The first President to install a bath tub in the White House.

Fascinating article, Pel. Taft complained about the four months of campaigning as the most uncomfortable in his life. Oh, for the olden days!!

I also liked what he said at the end of his life when he was the supreme court justice regarding his time spent as the President.

deadeye · #86 03-03-2009, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

Shaving with a razor is always an unnatural act. And millions of men suffer the consequences and BILLIONS of dollars are spent on skin softners and antiseptic aftershave lotions to try and heal and sterilize the mess the razor leaves behind.

Why not allow people to blossom as God has formed them, and not as some small minded insecure tyrant was told by somebody else's grand daddy thought they should be?

I agree that there is no Biblical or for that matter culteral prohibition against facial hair.....but your characterization of any preacher who has a standard against them as "small minded insecure tyrants"....well, that is way over the top....in fact I believe it shows a casual and dangerous disrespect for Gods anointed.

I was sitting with a couple of brother in laws one time, and one of them mentioned that his pastor had counseled him not to allow his kids to get involved in sports....the other BIL who to put it bluntly is a obnoxious, rebellious, jerk, (who incidently has struggled, not very succesfully with demon possession) said "are you going to let some stuffed shirt tell you what to do?"....this is the same spirit I detect coming from you.

You dont have to agree with a mans stand....but to call a Man of God things like that is simply wrong.

pelathais · #87 03-03-2009, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Aquila

My point is how does society view beards culturally? If I were a missionary in the Middle East or somewhere where beards were culturally "expected" upon men I'd advise Christians to wear a beard to respect cultural sensibilities so as to not bring a reproach upon the message. However, if in the Western World being clean shaven is more culturally acceptable I'd advise that Christians be clean shaven.

That's the only logical angle I can come up with regarding any notion of prohibiting beards. Personally, I don't think it's a sin and I don't see any serious issue with it.

Throughout the development of Western culture since the fall of Rome, the Roman Catholic Church has exercised the leading role in educating our scholars, diplomats, merchants and kings. A "secular" education is a very recent development. A "Protestant" education is only a little bit older.

To understand the place of men's traditionally "accepted" hair styles you only need to look to Rome.

Beards

Hair on the male clergy

Sam · #88 03-03-2009, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Billy Boy

If its wrong for a woman to cut the hair on her head, then she better be allowed to preach with a beard, right?

If it is wrong to cut the hair on her head is it wrong to cut or alter the length of any hair anywhere else on her body?

SOUNWORTHY · #89 03-03-2009, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

Shaving with a razor is always an unnatural act. And millions of men suffer the consequences and BILLIONS of dollars are spent on skin softners and antiseptic aftershave lotions to try and heal and sterilize the mess the razor leaves behind.

Why not allow people to blossom as God has formed them, and not as some small minded insecure tyrant was told by somebody else's grand daddy thought they should be?

God formed Adam and Eve naked, is that what you are referring to?

pelathais · #90 03-03-2009, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by deadeye

I agree that there is no Biblical or for that matter culteral prohibition against facial hair.....but your characterization of any preacher who has a standard against them as "small minded insecure tyrants"....well, that is way over the top....in fact I believe it shows a casual and dangerous disrespect for Gods anointed.

I was sitting with a couple of brother in laws one time, and one of them mentioned that his pastor had counseled him not to allow his kids to get involved in sports....the other BIL who to put it bluntly is a obnoxious, rebellious, jerk, (who incidently has struggled, not very succesfully with demon possession) said "are you going to let some stuffed shirt tell you what to do?"....this is the same spirit I detect coming from you.

You dont have to agree with a mans stand....but to call a Man of God things like that is simply wrong.

When that "man of God" shows up on your doorstep with his secretary in tow needing a pulpit to use as an excuse for being found in your city - what do you call him then?

I have the gravest respect for the things of God. I have a respect that I really don't think you could begin to imagine nor understand. Ask your Superintendant about me. If he doesn't know me by name - just read him this post. Ask him what he thinks of the stands that have been forced to take.

I'm not going to let you guys forget that I spent 6 hours being grilled by Federal agents and local police because they thought all of the rest of you were a bunch of dangerous looney cultists. I stuck up for you then "Deadeye." I spoke up for you and I even made you look good.

I have no respect for small minded insecure tyrants.