Cosmetics???

[coadie]

the products

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

This is so true!! I was in the cosmetic industry before getting in church. I can attest to the fact that I was very tired - sick and tired - of the pressure put on women to "have" to enhance their looks!!!!

We do that we do these things for ourselves - BUT - in all actuality, we are pressured into it by the subliminal media and society. That is my opinion.

I get very offended by men that say, and that includes those on this forum () that some women need work.

Well, honey - you ain't married to her - so mind your own business.

Okay, I feel better. Have a nice day!

Television. People will copy the looks of people they like. I have friends that have a chain of western stores. Their biz took off after a movie Urban cowboy.
People are extremely shalow and it is interesting how much spunk they put into defending themselves as looking unique and having original looks.

Pepsi corporate had a look years ago I named Pepsi Pretty. All the Ivy league MBA's wore london fog coats, the same blue suits and button down shirts and drove BMWs at their pay grade. But every one thought each and every shallow attribute was unique to them.

I wrote a little research years ago on comparing the levels of self esteem on non conformity. People with healthy self esteem are comfy with a greater level of non conformity. With the web and other technologies, how people try to be percieved and how they percieve themselves and how others they know in person truly percieve them are vast distances appart.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by tbpew

IMO, this topic is like so many we engage here. When the bible does not state some prohibition in a verbatim manner, both ends of an opinion-defined continuim can argue from silence (and fill up several pages while doing so).

The NT is about motive; imaginations that are revealed from some abundance of our hearts.

Ummm.. yeah, I see where you're going with this...

However, that rationale has been used to preach against a whole laundry list of things without biblical basis (such as red clothes, panty hose, shaving your legs, wearing cufflinks, drinking coca cola, wearing open-toed shoes, curling irons, etc etc).

When men wanted to make teach their own personal convictions into a doctrine or "standard', they resorted to that line of reasoning you just offered up.

Believe me, there is something that YOU do, or someone in your family, that a preacher somewhere can preach against.... and he'll claim it's based on some NT "principle", since he knows there's no scripture anywhere for him to base his teaching on.

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Too much of this stuff is based on judmentalism, flawed biblical analysis (or twisting of scripture), desire to maintain "the old landmarks" we got from the old timers, and/or a misplaced desire to "keep people saved" by making a ton of rules, even if the rules have no biblical support.

[tbpew]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

Ummm.. yeah, I see where you're going with this...

However, that rationale has been used to preach against a whole laundry list of things without biblical basis (such as red clothes, panty hose, shaving your legs, wearing cufflinks, drinking coca cola, wearing open-toed shoes, curling irons, etc etc).

When men wanted to make teach their own personal convictions into a doctrine or "standard', they resorted to that line of reasoning you just offered up.

Believe me, there is something that YOU do, or someone in your family, that a preacher somewhere can preach against.... and he'll claim it's based on some NT "principle", since he knows there's no scripture anywhere for him to base his teaching on.

TRF,
I am not interested in being a surrogate to "conclude the matter" for any one, any where, at any time.

I am wanting to make sure that those who I can influence, and those that can influence me, have a means to 'shake the tree' to make sure that each considers what could be working its subtle influence in our lives.

Why do we do the things we do?

Smearing a grease-based, bright color on one's lips, has a vast set of possible drivers working behind this societal ritual.

Spiritual people ask why they participate in things that are sourced from the activity of what the scripture would call 'cosmos'.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by tbpew

TRF,
I am not interested in "concluding the matter" for any one, any where, at any time.

I am wanting to make sure that those who I can influence, and those that can influence me, have a means to 'shake the tree' to make sure that each considers what could be working its subtle influence in our lives.

Why do we do the things we do?
Smearing a grease-based, bright color on one's lips, has a vast set of possible drivers working behind this ritual.

Spiritual people ask why they participate in things that are sourced from the activity of 'cosmos'.

Spritual people might also ask, since the use of cosmetics has existed since Old Testament times, why God never spoke against it anywhere in His bible.

And if they dont have a shred of scripture against it, (but have to resort to non-biblically-based arguments)...they might ask if maybe this stuff doesnt matter to God as much as it matters to some of us.

[TRFrance]

(sigh)
I think too many saints major on the minors, and minor on the majors, preaching personal convictions as doctrine.


And that's part of the reason some of our churches have not made the steps forward they need to.

Lord, help your people.

[tbpew]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

(sigh)
I think too many saints major on the minors, and minor on the majors, preaching personal convictions as doctrine.


And that's part of the reason some of our churches have not made the steps forward they need to.

Lord, help your people.

I will await your reading of the exact words witnessed in scripture concerning this new convenant and then marvel in how you find any specific counsel to share without doing exactly what you have determined is my error in this thread. And since they are exact words, they really will not need you reading them at all since they simply will say it all (raises the question if preacher's should limit speaking to only the unregenerated).

I appreciate you not wanting to have this spill over into thread after thread after thread, I suppose such consistency would be annoying.

I also appreciate you taking the time to post your opinions since afterall, that is really all any of us have on an internet forum.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by TRFrance

(sigh)
I think too many saints major on the minors, and minor on the majors, preaching personal convictions as doctrine.


And that's part of the reason some of our churches have not made the steps forward they need to.

Lord, help your people.

Do you know why cosmetics are such a major issue for you?

The 35 billion-dollar cosmetic industry is booming.

Charitible religious giving is 90 billion. If men don't do makeup, children don't it looks to be about equal. Tammy Faye baker sure was a good leader for the sector.

[TRFrance]

Originally Posted by coadie

Do you know why cosmetics are such a major issue for you?

The 35 billion-dollar cosmetic industry is booming.

Charitible religious giving is 90 billion. If men don't do makeup, children don't it looks to be about equal. Tammy Faye baker sure was a good leader for the sector.

Now that's funny.

Cosmetics are not a major issue for me at all.
I dont use them, neither does my wife.

(As a matter of fact, you seem to be a bit more emotionally invested in this issue than I am.)

What is an issue for me is
1/ people teaching personal convictions as doctrines... (even more so when they have a judmental attitude toward those who dont share those same convictions), and
2/ people who claim to be astute bible scholars, but who wish to pass down various unnecessary & burdensome rules and traditions previously handed to them as doctrine... without examining all things to see how they measure up in the light of scripture.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by coadie

Do you know why cosmetics are such a major issue for you?

The 35 billion-dollar cosmetic industry is booming.

Charitible religious giving is 90 billion. If men don't do makeup, children don't it looks to be about equal. Tammy Faye baker sure was a good leader for the sector.

Oh good lord, at least get someone that people really want to look like - - Christy Brinkley or something, but Tammy Faye's make-up was a joke to everyone.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by rgcraig

Oh good lord, at least get someone that people really want to look like - - Christy Brinkley or something, but Tammy Faye's make-up was a joke to everyone.

Your heroes?

Brinkley married four times:

French artist Jean-François Allaux (born in Rabat, Morocco), (1973–1981).[17]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christie_Brinkley

last deal ended in adultery and divorce. Tammy Faye is dead. she married the man that fixed her husband up with a girlfriend. Roe Messner.
So how would you rate Christie Brinkley? Looks like things don't work out well for her. Ms. dysfunctional woman of the year awards.

Note to self. If prostitutes use make-up, is there a reason?

Christie brinkley shows us a model can attract men that do not work out as husband material. Suspicions confirmed. she had a Covergirl makeup contract.

Any other witnesses to success?