Cosmetics???

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Thank you. I see I won't be using ESV as a major reading source. I came back to edit this as it sounds a bit harsh. What I'm want to say is that taking away the beauty and deeper meaning of "purification" to "cosmetics" is something I would be happy with in a Bible translation.

As I said the idea of purification lends its meaning to "scouring". The only conclusion we can draw, which would be correct, is that the word "cosmetic" in the ESV would be on the same lines as toiletries. That would be items used in personal grooming.

I think it would be a stretch to the context to say it implies facial paint in any way, JMO.

I can see it. They are using our culture as a frame of reference to interpret scripture.

I inserted this and noticed Esther was incredibly attractive to begin with. That means they did NOT need to do three coats of laquer. Over a primer base. Beauty was a selection criteria on the front end. I even checked and it did not indicatee Vashti was painted up either.

A lot of this cosmetic stuff comes from the world. a man considers himself more manly if he walks around with painted up arm candy. the problem is age. They have a midlife crises and keep chasing younger arm candy like they first married. again it is vanity and pride centered theme. If she has kids and doesn't lose the weight, the relationship based on carnal visual criteria deteriates rapidly. Of course that is what they insist happens when asked during marriage counseling.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by coadie

I can see it. They are using our culture as a frame of reference to interpret scripture.

I inserted this and noticed Esther was incredibly attractive to begin with. That means they did NOT need to do three coats of laquer. Over a primer base. Beauty was a selection criteria on the front end. I even checked and it did not indicatee Vashti was painted up either.

A lot of this cosmetic stuff comes from the world. a man considers himself more manly if he walks around with painted up arm candy. the problem is age. They have a midlife crises and keep chasing younger arm candy like they first married. again it is vanity and pride centered theme. If she has kids and doesn't lose the weight, the relationship based on carnal visual criteria deteriates rapidly. Of course that is what they insist happens when asked during marriage counseling.

Can you provide your information on Vashti? I'd be interested in that.

I don't doubt the carnal world pulling on us. I can agree with you there. You should read a book called "The Spin Sisters". Myrna Blyth, the author and former Editor of, I believe, Good Housekeeping, writes about how the women of the media put fear in us, how covers of magazines are written to make us fear. It's a very subtle tactic.

Anyway, aside from all of that, I still will have to maintain that TRFrance is correct that we must, if we are serious about Bible interpretation, not include our opinions or convictions in the mix.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by coadie

Wrong gods.

The Holy ghost is 24/7. They that worship Him must worship Him in Spirit and in truth.
That is why the counterfeit religions brag aboot their symmetry and fine tune their idolatry.

Your answer shows you either did not get the point or introduced a red herring to avoid the consequences.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by coadie

Show me the scripture for make up.

I usually don't respond to childish questions that are repeated time and again.

I take it you are limited in schooling. ACTUALLY IF YOU HAD BIBLE SCHOOL OR COLLEGE, YOU AMY FIGURE OUT THAT cosmetics and drugs were from a word Pharmacia. It is sometimes translated as witchcraft. Practioners of witchcraft made potions, cosmetics and medicines.

That is why they paint their faces for the wild dances and witch activities in the 3rd world. It is false religions.

Wow...attack the person over answering the question. Classic Ad Hominem.

It was not a childish question. It was a relevant one. And the reason it was asked over and over is because you did not answer it.

Cosmetics is not "from a word pharmacia". I suppose because witches danced then, using your logic, it's wrong for Christians to dance in church to the Lord?

BTW are you saying it's witchcraft to take an aspirin because witches made medicine?

[RandyWayne]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Wow...attack the person over answering the question. Classic Ad Hominem.

It was not a childish question. It was a relevant one. And the reason it was asked over and over is because you did not answer it.

Cosmetics is not "from a word pharmacia". I suppose because witches danced then, using your logic, it's wrong for Christians to dance in church to the Lord?

BTW are you saying it's witchcraft to take an aspirin because witches made medicine?

I am sure it is.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Can you provide your information on Vashti? I'd be interested in that.

I don't doubt the carnal world pulling on us. I can agree with you there. You should read a book called "The Spin Sisters". Myrna Blyth, the author and former Editor of, I believe, Good Housekeeping, writes about how the women of the media put fear in us, how covers of magazines are written to make us fear. It's a very subtle tactic.

Anyway, aside from all of that, I still will have to maintain that TRFrance is correct that we must, if we are serious about Bible interpretation, not include our opinions or convictions in the mix.

I am not saying this sarcastically. I read the first chapters KJV before reference to Esther.
Vashti didn't obey the kings legitimate pride and fondness for her and wanting the people to see her.
I do understand fear. One of the reasons i left counseling years ago. large amounts of fears are based on lies. It is sometimes impossible for people to see a lie as such. An example. I have a counseling peer. a pentecostal that was told by her kid bro about her rear sticking out. for the next 24 years, she actually replayed that fear every time she walked past a mirror.
i don't have a problem discussing fears. Fear of rejection is a monster in the sale of cosmetics. Men don't have fear of growing character lines. One of my employees tells me he looks in the mirror and says "lookin good" to himself. Many women are mortified. Teen girls are afraid the pimple on their niose is large enough to trip on.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

Wow...attack the person over answering the question. Classic Ad Hominem.

It was not a childish question. It was a relevant one. And the reason it was asked over and over is because you did not answer it.

Cosmetics is not "from a word pharmacia". I suppose because witches danced then, using your logic, it's wrong for Christians to dance in church to the Lord?

BTW are you saying it's witchcraft to take an aspirin because witches made medicine?

Like I posted earlier cosmetics is from kosmos. I did post that cosmetics, chemicals and potions were mixed by witches.

Practioners of witchcraft made potions, cosmetics and medicines.

The issues pertaining to witchcraft is that potions, drugs, astrology and a few other items were employed to alter mental states, promise cures and other unknown guarantees.

Long ago barbers and surgeons were one and the same.

I do not recall mention of aspirin which is an anti inflamatory drug. It is used off from its primary purpose as a anti clotting product.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by coadie

I am not saying this sarcastically. I read the first chapters KJV before reference to Esther.
Vashti didn't obey the kings legitimate pride and fondness for her and wanting the people to see her.

I've heard this interpretation and I'm not sure this is anything solid to stand on, but from verse 8 in Esther 1 - 8"And the drinking was according to the law; none did compel: for so the king had appointed to all the officers of his house, that they should do according to every man's pleasure."

and verse 10 "On the seventh day, when the heart of the king was merry with wine,..."

the implication is that the king wanted her to appear naked before them.

Jamieson, Fausset & Brown: Esther 1:10-12 - On the seventh day, when the heart of the king was merry with wine--As the feast days advanced, the drinking was more freely indulged in, so that the close was usually marked by great excesses of revelry.

he commanded . . . the seven chamberlains--These were the eunuchs who had charge of the royal harem. The refusal of Vashti to obey an order which required her to make an indecent exposure of herself before a company of drunken revellers, was becoming both the modesty of her sex and her rank as queen; for, according to Persian customs, the queen, even more than the wives of other men, was secluded from the public gaze. Had not the king's blood been heated with wine, or his reason overpowered by force of offended pride, he would have perceived that his own honor, as well as hers, was consulted by her dignified conduct.

Either way, the verses don't prove she was wearing or not wearing cosmetics, IMO.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by RandyWayne

Well, many of them can until they hit the ripe old age of about 25......

Actually quite a bit "bad" behavior (health wise) can be ignored until about 25, like smoking and heavy drinking. Suddenly all these girls who had model figures despite their partying, start seeing flab where none existed.

talking about the muffin top epidemic?

[Truthseeker]

Originally Posted by Truthseeker

There are no scriptures for makeup. Now your turn, where are the scriptures against makeup?

Do you take prescription drugs? Tylenol? TUMs? etc....

Is your position that if something is not written for something then we shouldn't do it?

Bump for coadie