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Old 03-24-2009, 04:32 PM
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Man, wouldn't it have been great if God had written the Bible?

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It's a matter of His transcendence. He is "above all..." Every manifestation of God in this world comes with certain limitations that prevent His nature and being from subsuming our created existence out of existence.

Thus, "holy men of God spake..." 2 Peter 1:21

The Bible is a revelation of God's will, and inspired by His Spirit; but those things are contained within the words of man.
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It's a matter of His transcendence. He is "above all..." Every manifestation of God in this world comes with certain limitations that prevent His nature and being from subsuming our created existence out of existence.

Thus, "holy men of God spake..." 2 Peter 1:21

The Bible is a revelation of God's will, and inspired by His Spirit; but those things are contained within the words of man.
And we are required to sort out the inspired words from the uninspired. There are uninspired words of man, too, right? Like mine, or Buddha's, or some of Paul's (the ones that didn't make the cut), etc.? Is it good enough to believe that the ones that say they're inspired are inspired? Or should we also test what the words say for "trueness"?
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why would we think that something St.Paul wrote hundreds of years ago...answering a letter or report that we don't have...to people we don't know...or speak the same language...or share the same customs or culture...why would a rational person believe this is written for us today?
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And we are required to sort out the inspired words from the uninspired. There are uninspired words of man, too, right? Like mine, or Buddha's, or some of Paul's (the ones that didn't make the cut), etc.? Is it good enough to believe that the ones that say they're inspired are inspired? Or should we also test what the words say for "trueness"?
"Truthiness." It's pronounced "truthiness."
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"Truthiness." It's pronounced "truthiness."
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I think we have completely missed a major point that Paul was making in this passage, because we focus on the hair. I think his main point was about submission and proper roles.
That's right. Now shutup and get back in the kitchen!!!!!!
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I think we have completely missed a major point that Paul was making in this passage, because we focus on the hair. I think his main point was about submission and proper roles.
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That's right. Now shutup and get back in the kitchen!!!!!!
Yeah. And stay off the roads.

Hey, it's kind of cool being a "Neanderthal."

Would it kill any of you ladies to get me some breakfast?
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Yeah. And stay off the roads.

Hey, it's kind of cool being a "Neanderthal."

Would it kill any of you ladies to get me some breakfast?

Well, killing might come into it.


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It's a matter of His transcendence. He is "above all..." Every manifestation of God in this world comes with certain limitations that prevent His nature and being from subsuming our created existence out of existence.

Thus, "holy men of God spake..." 2 Peter 1:21

The Bible is a revelation of God's will, and inspired by His Spirit; but those things are contained within the words of man.
which Bible?...or how many?...understand that when St.Peter & St.Paul were writing...the Bible to them was the Hebrew O.T. and/or the Torah. Ironically...most english bibles don't include all of these.

regarding "God's will" being revealed...I'm not sure if I understand what this means. Did something become God's will because it got written down?...or was something God's will and then it was written? how does this playout with all the Hebrew history that is in the O.T.?
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