Plane Crash In Montana

[Michael The Disciple]

Originally Posted by Sweet Pea

I'm not weighing in on this argument at all....

Just making an observation. I live very close to the home of one of these families - and in a-round-about way have connections to some of their relatives. All reports are that the three couples who were in the plane (2 of them sisters) were very devout and active Seventh Day Adventist. Where do the Adventists stand in the abortion issue? Just curious?

Have you read the article? Does it seem to fit the facts as you know them?

[jaxfam6]

I think the deaths of the children and the adults is terrible. What I do think is that it is very ironic that it happened where it did. Judgement of God? not sure but then who are we to say it isn't God's judgement either? No we should NOT be happy or joyfully when bad men and women as well as their children die no matter rather it was judgement or not.
I pray God has mercy on the souls of those who died if they died without Him.

[Sweet Pea]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

Have you read the article? Does it seem to fit the facts as you know them?

Yes, I read the article. That's what got me to thinking about it. I'm sorry if my post left the impression that I "know" any of the family - One of the families is "connected" to several people I know - but I don't personally know any of them.

Reports have been that the six adults have been friends for years and all attended 7th Day Adventist Universities. Memorial funds have been set up for two different 7th Day Adventist Elementary Schools. They were all in the medical / dental field. One of the ladies was a pediatrician. I'm not doubting the OP's article - I just found it interesting based upon that information that the dad was obviously far from what his children's church would believe.'

God's judgment? I'm saying it was or that it wasn't. I am saddened by the accident and the loss of lives - but God is God and He is in charge!

[n david]

My brother-in-law is a pilot with America West and received a phone call after the crash. He trained with the pilot of that plane. The pilot has been flying for that family for approx 10 years and has a lot of experience.

Sad story.

[Pastor Keith]

Originally Posted by Michael The Disciple

http://www.earnedmedia.org/gingi0324.htm

Family of Irving 'Bud' Feldkamp, Owner of the Nation's Largest Privately Owned Abortion Chain, Dies in Montana Plane Crash
Contact: Gingi Edmonds, www.gingiedmonds.com, 559-772-7911

MEDIA ADVISORY, Mar. 24 /Christian Newswire/ -- Some of you may have seen the major news story of the private plane that crashed into a Montana cemetery, killing 7 children and 7 adults.

But what the news sources fail to mention is that the Catholic Holy Cross Cemetery owned by Resurrection Cemetery Association in Butte - contains a memorial for local residents to pray the rosary, at the 'Tomb of the Unborn'. This memorial, located a short distance west of the church, was erected as a dedication to all babies who have died because of abortion.

What else is the mainstream news not telling you? The family who died in the crash near the location of the abortion victim's memorial, is the family of Irving 'Bud' Feldkamp, owner of the largest for-profit abortion chain in the nation.

Family Planning Associates was purchased four years ago by Irving Moore "Bud" Feldkamp III, owner of Allcare and Hospitality Dental Associates and CEO of Glen Helen Raceway Park in San Bernardino. The 17 California Family Planning clinics perform more abortions in the state than any other abortion provider - Planned Parenthood included - and they perform abortions through the first five months of pregnancy.

Although Feldkamp is not an abortionist, he reaps profits of blood money from the tens of thousands of babies that are killed through abortions performed every year at the clinics he owns. His business in the abortion industry was what enabled him to afford the private plane that was carrying his family to their week-long vacation at The Yellowstone Club, a millionaires-only ski resort.

The plane went down on Sunday, killing two of Feldkamp's daughters, two sons-in-law and five grandchildren along with the pilot and four family friends. The plane, a single-engine turboprop flown by Bud Summerfield of Highland, crashed into the Catholic cemetery and burst into flames, only 500 ft. from its landing destination. All aboard were killed.

The cause of the crash is a mystery. The pilot, who was a former military flier who logged over 2,000 miles, gave no indication to air traffic controllers that the aircraft was experiencing difficulty when he asked to divert to an airport in Butte. Witnesses report that the plane suddenly nosedived toward the ground with no apparent signs of a struggle. There was neither a cockpit voice recorder nor a flight data recorder onboard, and no radar clues into the planes final moments because the Butte airport is not equipped with a radar facility. Some speculate that the crash was due to ice on the wings, but this particular plane model has been tested for icy weather and experts have stated that ice being the cause is unlikely.

In my time working for Survivors of the Abortion Holocaust, I helped organize and conduct a weekly campaign where youth activists stood outside of Feldkamp's mini-mansion in Redlands holding fetal development signs and raising community awareness regarding Feldkamp's dealings in child murder for profit. Every Thursday afternoon we called upon Bud and his wife Pam to repent, seek God's blessing and separate themselves from the practice of child killing.

We warned him, for his children's sake, to wash his hands of the innocent blood he assisted in spilling because, as Scripture warns, if "you did not hate bloodshed, bloodshed will pursue you". (Ezekiel 35:6)

A news source states that Bud Feldkamp visited the site of the crash with his wife and their two surviving children on Monday. As they stood near the twisted and charred debris talking with investigators, light snow fell on the tarps that covered the remains of their children.

I don't want to turn this tragic event into some creepy spiritual 'I told you so' moment, but I think of the time spent outside of Feldkamp's - Pam Feldkamp laughing at the fetal development signs, Bud Feldkamp trying not to make eye contact as he got into his car with a small child in tow - and I think of the haunting words, 'Think of your children.' I wonder if those words were haunting Feldkamp as well as he stood in the snow among the remains of loved ones, just feet from the 'Tomb of the Unborn'?

I only hope and pray that in the face of this tragedy, Feldkamp recognizes his need for repentance and reformation. I pray that God will use this unfortunate catastrophe to soften the hearts of Bud and Pam and that they will draw close to the Lord and wash their hands of the blood of thousands of innocent children, each as precious and irreplaceable as their own.

"I have set before you life and death, the blessing and the curse. Choose life, then." (Deut. 30:19)

Gingi Edmonds is a freelance pro-life activist, writer and photographer based out of Hanford, California. Gingi writes a bi-monthly ProLife Opinion Column and is available for pro-life presentations and speaking engagements. Visit www.gingiedmonds.com for more information.

They only thing is that the adults and children that were on the plane, most were Physicians trained at a 7th Day Adventist College and were heavily involved in a local 7th Day Adventist school located in Lodi, CA. I don't think the offspring of this man shared the same values of the Father.

[crakjak]

Death will come where it is invited, it may be that this father's embracing of death as an enrichment of himself, invited it into his own house. I'm sure he lives with fear and uncertainty due to his pursuit of killing the unborn, this may simple be the harvest of his sowing. Not the "judgment of God", just the natural result of sowing and reaping.

Good people get hurt all the time by the bad deeds of others, thankfully God will restore what is lost, and will judge all evil and wickedness. And finally He will bring an end to all sin and curse.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Pastor Keith

They only thing is that the adults and children that were on the plane, most were Physicians trained at a 7th Day Adventist College and were heavily involved in a local 7th Day Adventist school located in Lodi, CA. I don't think the offspring of this man shared the same values of the Father.

In psychology this is called partitioning. It explains Mormons selling coffee and alcohol at their businesses
An actual SDA may be in the abortion chain for the money
Catholics take communion and vote for abortion
Pentecostals vote for Obama and abortion
King Saul disobeyed in order to please people
Pentecostals subscribe to Playboy to read the editorials

Integrity is using a standard and applying it in family business, voting booth church and staying consistant. Not Partitioning and placing contradictory values in separate boxes.

Joseph refused the demand of Potiphars wife. Most records say Potiphar was a eunuch and was unable to take care of his woman.

Good approaches call for written core values. Then applying them in all areas. That may mean not buying a cash cow abortion chain because it rolls in the dolares.


The head Fred may have outstanding moral values and be reluctant to apply them in a few places.

There are testimonies of abortion mill owners that got conviction, repented and bailed or stopped.
http://www.massnews.com/2003_Edition...activist.shtml

[CC1]

Originally Posted by crakjak

Death will come where it is invited, it may be that this father's embracing of death as an enrichment of himself, invited it into his own house. I'm sure he lives with fear and uncertainty due to his pursuit of killing the unborn, this may simple be the harvest of his sowing. Not the "judgment of God", just the natural result of sowing and reaping.

Good people get hurt all the time by the bad deeds of others, thankfully God will restore what is lost, and will judge all evil and wickedness. And finally He will bring an end to all sin and curse.

"Death will come where it is invited"? That is one of the weirdest statements I have ever read.

I suppose the young mother diagnosed with terminal cancer invited it?
The godly elderly prayer warrior invited the suffering of cancer or some other disease?

I am not aware of any scriptural basis (or logical one) for the statement that death will come when it is invited. Unless you are talking about someone stepping out into the street intentionally in front of a bus or dump truck.

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by CC1

"Death will come where it is invited"? That is one of the weirdest statements I have ever read.

I suppose the young mother diagnosed with terminal cancer invited it?
The godly elderly prayer warrior invited the suffering of cancer or some other disease?

I am not aware of any scriptural basis (or logical one) for the statement that death will come when it is invited. Unless you are talking about someone stepping out into the street intentionally in front of a bus or dump truck.

I think he's talking about Karma.

[coadie]

Originally Posted by Timmy

I think he's talking about Karma.

Karma died from aggitating the universe. Her cousin Nirvanna was also a trouble maker.