Jason DEBATE MATTHEW 24 Luke21 Mark 13 - Page 3

pelathais · #21 03-26-2009, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Evang.Benincasa

Elder respectfully there have been debates already done where futurist debated Preterits on the above. All issues on eschatology are broad, which ones are not?

This is what I have been asking this Brother to confirm.

http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ad.php?t=23087

With much respect

In Jesus name

Brother Benincasa

www.OnTimeJournal.com

EB, I for one would love to beat you over the head with something, anything.

But, I agree with Steve Epley here. The conclusiveness simply isn't there, IMHO. I have to just learn to find some way to get along with you on these points even if I don't agree with you.

TJJJ · #22 03-26-2009, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BrotherEastman

Okay, this question is for the preterists: Do you guys believe in the rapture of the church?

This is what they are gonna ask you, the FP's.

1- Define rapture, use verses.

2- Partials (Like Epley)

will tell you yes, FP's will tell you it is past!

TJJJ · #23 03-26-2009, 04:02 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

EB, I for one would love to beat you over the head with something, anything.

But, I agree with Steve Epley here. The conclusiveness simply isn't there, IMHO. I have to just learn to find some way to get along with you on these points even if I don't agree with you.

Just do like Epley and Anderson and condemn them to the Pit!!!

Not much love there but it is efficient!

I guess....

TJJJ · #24 03-26-2009, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

No I am a dispensationalist.
Jesus was asked 3 questions in Mt. 24 he answered them all.
1. When shall these things be? The destruction of the temple
2. The sign of thy coming
3. the end of the world.
One is past two are future. Most preterist BOTH Partial & Full believe ALL of Mt. 24 was fulfilled in 70 AD along with every prophecy thus God has had NOTHING to say about the last 1900 years of man's history NOR the future.
All prophecy is a little obscure footnote in a history book which the majority of the populace has never heard of.
Futurist teach what Jesus & Apostles taught that Jesus truly is comng again to catch His church away, resurrect the dead, judge the wicked.

MARANATHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It appears to me that indeed you are, at best, a partial preterist, regardless of your pretensions to the opposite. You can claim it all day long but you fit within the terms. Preterism just means past. Period. Men take and try to add things to it but the word just means past. So by it's definition you are partial, at least 1/3.

We have see it in the last 4-5 years. The terms Partial and Full are just used by some to be able to draw the sword and slay their Brother and feel justified in doing it.

Sorry for the truth, but that is truth.

Steve Epley · #25 03-26-2009, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by TJJJ

This is what they are gonna ask you, the FP's.

1- Define rapture, use verses.

2- Partials (Like Epley)

will tell you yes, FP's will tell you it is past!

NOT a partial I believe in the future catching away of the church, the future tribulation, the future restoration of Isreal, ALL of Rev. 6-19 is future with the exception of those passages that clearly state they are past.
NO PP.

Only the destruction of the temple which was the first question. NO PP would call me a PP.

Steve Epley · #26 03-26-2009, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by TJJJ

Just do like Epley and Anderson and condemn them to the Pit!!!

Not much love there but it is efficient!

I guess....

I do not think either Brother would feel that way. I like them personally and they seem to like me. I do pray for them(that is an honest statement) I think they are good guys but this heresy will cause them to be lost. I am NOT rejoicing over the fact.

pelathais · #27 03-26-2009, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TJJJ

Just do like Epley and Anderson and condemn them to the Pit!!!

Not much love there but it is efficient!

I guess....

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Originally Posted by Steve Epley

I do not think either Brother would fell that way. I like them personally and they seem to like me. I do pray for them(that is an honest statement) I think they are good guys but this heresy will cause them to be lost. I am NOT rejoicing over the fact.

I'd have to say that that I just don't understand the extremity of the judgment here. I don't agree with the "Apostolic Full Preterist" view because no one has ever been able to to tell me, "Lo, here is (or was) Christ..." without taking me through their closets and secret rooms.

The implications of this can certainly be huge and I think that's where Steve Epley rises to the challenge. But the AFPs aren't offering a "false Christ," in my view; they simply haven't offered anything at all.

TJJJ · #28 03-26-2009, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by pelathais

I'd have to say that that I just don't understand the extremity of the judgment here. I don't agree with the "Apostolic Full Preterist" view because no one has ever been able to to tell me, "Lo, here is (or was) Christ..." without taking me through their closets and secret rooms.

The implications of this can certainly be huge and I think that's where Steve Epley rises to the challenge. But the AFPs aren't offering a "false Christ," in my view; they simply haven't offered anything at all.

What we are seeing with men of his stripe is that they are pulling out the swords and slaying anyone who does not agree with them. It is the old pharisees attitude again.

I asked those futurists, in another thread, if they felt the FP's were lost and he said yes. They have made this salvational.

No wonder Paul wrote:

1Co 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

I have come to the point that I don't want to hear any of it preached. Give me acts 2:38.

Jason B · #29 03-26-2009, 10:33 PM

Brother Benicasa,

I have challenged you to a plain debate with a straight forward topic DO YOU ACCEPT OR DECLINE?

Steve Epley · #30 03-26-2009, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by TJJJ

What we are seeing with men of his stripe is that they are pulling out the swords and slaying anyone who does not agree with them. It is the old pharisees attitude again.

I asked those futurists, in another thread, if they felt the FP's were lost and he said yes. They have made this salvational.

No wonder Paul wrote:

1Co 2:2 For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified.

I have come to the point that I don't want to hear any of it preached. Give me acts 2:38.

The Crucified is the Coming King if He is not returning again He is a liar and a fraud. His return is the Hope of the saints no return no hope.