Baptism question for One-Steppers - Page 4

pelathais · #31 03-30-2009, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by *AQuietPlace*

I'm not really sure. I've always been taught that baptism is necessary for washing away the sins. That's why I'm studying this, to get an understanding for myself...

So why do you think the verse states "Washing away your sins"?

Because whosever shall "call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved! (Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21 and Romans 10:13).

"Saved" from what? Saved from sin. His blood, and our faith in Him has washed us from sin (Matthew 26:28).

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But, same question - what about how the verse I quoted is worded?

Same answer, only more emphatic.

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Why do I equate it with remitted? Because that's what I've been taught?

Scriptures that have been used are Acts 2:38 - 'for the remission of sin', and the verse I quoted in my first post.

So, back to my original question - why does it say 'be baptized and wash away thy sins'?

Because it really says more than that, doesn't it?

That was my point (or among my points). You're either intentionally leaving out parts of this passage on purpose or perhaps unconsciously. Either way, the Word of God is being hewn here and not "rightly divided."

Consider; why were the disciples of John rebaptized in Acts 19? It was NOT for the "remission of sins" because according to the Bible their sins were remitted with John's baptism of repentance (Mark 1:4; Luke 1:77; Luke 3:3).

So why were they baptized if they had no sins to be "washed away?" There's more to baptism than getting wet and being "washed." MUCH MORE!

Peter makes it clear that baptism is NOT a "washing" in water, though he of course may have had just the physical body in mind. Peter does emphasize that it's the "resurrection of Jesus Christ" that accomplishes the "good conscience toward God..."

Why was Paul told to "call on the name of the Lord?" WHAT DID YOU SAY WHEN YOU WERE BAPTIZED? Anything? If the preacher did all of the talking then you really WERE NOT baptized like the Apostles, were you? Just asking rhetorically. Food for thought.

Hoovie · #32 03-30-2009, 03:43 PM

God has shown me great mercy. If I err in judgement, pray I would err in mercy toward those in the body of Christ with whom I disagree, and perhaps cannot even fellowship with.

*AQuietPlace* · #33 03-30-2009, 03:56 PM

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Because it really says more than that, doesn't it?

That was my point (or among my points). You're either intentionally leaving out parts of this passage on purpose or perhaps unconsciously. Either way, the Word of God is being hewn here and not "rightly divided."

Just want to answer this part, and then I'll go back and read your post, and ponder what you said.....

I'm not purposely doing anything, other than asking questions. I don't have an agenda, hidden or otherwise. I'm just sincerely pondering things I've been taught, seeking input from people who believe differently, and then studying the word of God, seeking a clearer understanding.

I sincerely want to know what people believe, and why. I'm not trying to

anyone.

Not trying to convince anyone of my point of view, because right now I'm not sure what my point of view IS.

Stephanas · #34 03-30-2009, 04:00 PM

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What do you think this verse means?

Acts 22:16 (King James Version)

16And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

Does this mean that your sins are not washed away, gone, remitted.... until baptism? If not, what does it mean?

If it does mean that your sins are washed away, gone, remitted, whether by faith or by baptism - is the blood washed, water washed believer saved or lost?

One of the fundamental flaws of the "water and Spirit" teaching is that it consigns both water baptized and Spirit baptized people to damnation.

Repented and Water Baptized = Lost

They've called on Jesus name, but have no more hope than Bro. Epley's kissing boys.

Repented and Spirit Baptized = Lost

They have the Spirit of life in them, but the sentence of death on them.

KWSS1976 · #35 03-30-2009, 04:02 PM

AQP I know where you are coming from I just found out that Jews do not believe jesus is the massiah (sp)and Jesus was a jew so I am still trying to figure out how a jew does not believe the son of god a jew is the saviour and I know they have more information on history then we do on things that happened back then in those days..

*AQuietPlace* · #36 03-30-2009, 04:07 PM

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If it does mean that your sins are washed away, gone, remitted, whether by faith or by baptism - is the blood washed, water washed believer saved or lost?

One of the fundamental flaws of the "water and Spirit" teaching is that it consigns both water baptized and Spirit baptized people to damnation.

Repented and Water Baptized = Lost

They've called on Jesus name, but have no more hope than Bro. Epley's kissing boys.

Repented and Spirit Baptized = Lost

They have the Spirit of life in them, but the sentence of death on them.

I'm not sure exactly what you're saying. Could you explain this a little better? Why are they lost?

*AQuietPlace* · #37 03-30-2009, 04:09 PM

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WHAT DID YOU SAY WHEN YOU WERE BAPTIZED? Anything? If the preacher did all of the talking then you really WERE NOT baptized like the Apostles, were you? Just asking rhetorically. Food for thought.

No, I don't think I said anything.

pelathais · #38 03-30-2009, 04:43 PM

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No, I don't think I said anything.

I wasn't trying to give you a hard time there, AQP. You've always had a great spirit and I appreciate your posts.

Sorry for coming across with a bunch of staccatto bursts. I was just telling my boss that I "type like a polio victim" LOL.

I think my sentences come out in little bursts of thought as well.

It's a deep subject area. And Jesus is a huge Savior. We'll never plumb the depths nor soar to all of the heights.

*AQuietPlace* · #39 03-30-2009, 04:47 PM

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I wasn't trying to give you a hard time there, AQP. You've always had a great spirit and I appreciate your posts.

Sorry for coming across with a bunch of staccatto bursts. I was just telling my boss that I "type like a polio victim" LOL.

I think my sentences come out in little bursts of thought as well.

It's a deep subject area. And Jesus is a huge Savior. We'll never plumb the depths nor soar to all of the heights.

I always enjoy your posts as well, they're usually always well thought out... I never noticed a polio victim tendency.

I agree, God is a great big, awesome God. Our finite minds will never completely figure Him out.

JTTNMinistries · #40 03-30-2009, 09:11 PM

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I'm not sure exactly what you're saying. Could you explain this a little better? Why are they lost?

Classic 3 Step theology would teach that if a person has repented of sin and trusted Christ and been baptized in Jesus' Name but failed to receive the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues they would be hellbound.

Likewise any person who repented of sin and received the Holy Ghost with the evidence of speaking in tongues but failed to be baptized in Jesus' Name would also be hellbound.

Under 3 step theology a person MUST complete all three before they are actually saved and ready for heaven.

Honestly I just think the best way to look at it is that Jesus intends for all people to repent, be baptized in His Name and receive the Holy Ghost. As long as those things are happening both 1 step, 2 step, 3 step and any other combo will be satisfied.