I Knew This Would Happen....

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

How is repentance way more involved then just telling god you are sorry?

I'll give you one example. A friend of ours that is an evangelist was telling about how he prayed to receive the Holy Ghost many times when he first got in church. He felt like he had repented. One night God spoke to him and told him about something, in his house, that he needed to get rid of. It was hindering his life. When he got rid of the, whatever it was - he didn't share this with us, he was filled with the Holy Ghost.

I believe that this man's heart was being emptied out (repenting) and on that particular night, when God spoke to him, he was ready to give up what was hindering his life. Not every man is the same in coming to God and surrendering all areas of their lives. That is why I say, it is more than just saying, "I am sorry."

Some people empty themselves out at the beginning and some have a process.

IMO, that is why some, in the Bible, spoke in tongues before baptism and some after. We don't know the hearts of men. We need to allow God to do the work.

[KWSS1976]

How do you know he got the Holyghost?

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Originally Posted by KWSS1976

How do you know he got the Holyghost?

LOL! Look, this in not even up for debate in my life. I know too much and I've seen too much. Nope, not even going to discuss that on this forum.

[KWSS1976]

Just tell me then since you beleive in the initial evidence theroy how can a person born without a tongue get the holyghost with the initial evidence apparantly this is how you believe. Just friendly conversation thats all...

[edjen01]

Originally Posted by mizpeh

Jesus said to ask God.

Luke 11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

so was Peter wrong?....or was something lost in translation.

BTW...remember Luke's gospel was most likely not written first hand....meaning he (Luke) was not present at the time Jesus gave this speech.

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Just tell me then since you beleive in the initial evidence theroy how can a person born without a tongue get the holyghost with the initial evidence apparantly this is how you believe. Just friendly conversation thats all...

I'm not getting into this discussion, sorry. I don't really care what other people want to believe. I know what God has been to me, what He's done for me, what's He doing for me......

The only reason I engaged on this thread, in the first place, is to voice my belief that each individual (vessel) empties themselves out in different ways.

God will not put new wine in an old vessel. There is a process, for some, involving repentance. That is my point.

[edjen01]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

How is repentance way more involved then just telling god you are sorry?

it is a military command that means to stop going a certain direction...turn 180 degrees...and start marching in that direction.

saying "sorry" is part of the process....but many people miss out on the freedom that comes from true repentance...because all they do is stop. Repentance is also about starting to move in the other direction.

[edjen01]

why don't we still have "sounds of wind" and "tongues of fire"? Weren't these the very first apostolic signs that someone recieved the Holy Spirit?

Why didn't the disciples "speak with tongues" when they first recieved the Holy Spirit?

[Timmy]

Originally Posted by edjen01

why don't we still have "sounds of wind" and "tongues of fire"? Weren't these the very first apostolic signs that someone recieved the Holy Spirit?

Why didn't the disciples "speak with tongues" when they first recieved the Holy Spirit?

Too hard.

[edjen01]

Originally Posted by Timmy

Too hard.

yea I guess....but wouldn't it be sooooo cool!!!