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Originally Posted by Jason
TK, if we're going to cry foul over mis representation, what do you call the above quote? I do certainly know what I believe, the only thing I have said is that I still leave the door cracked open on Matthew 24, Mark 13, and Luke 24. I do believe they are speaking of future events, but I am not 100% convinced that all of those events are future. So I am still studying those chapters-(though over the last week I have taken a bit of time off of propphecy, but plan to keep digging).
So all this mess about not knowing what I believe ought to stop. But just to make it plain:
I believe in-
1)A future literal/visible/physical coming of the Lord Jesus to this earth
2)A future literal/(most-likely)visible/physical rapture/resserrection of the saints to meet the Lord in the air
3)I believe in a future judgement of all manking and even of Satan and all demons.
This is quite clear. I know what I believe, I know that you do not believe any of the 3 things I have mentioned. |
Brother Jason, still when all is said and done what a person believes about
Matthew 24,
Mark 13, and
Luke 21 dictates what they believe on a future coming of the Lord. That is why the UPCI manual states that all forms of Preterism are to be rejected. It states on page 152 of the 2006 manual, "We reject preterist notions that the prophecies of
Revelation 4-19 were fulfilled prior to A.D. 70, that Satan is bound, and that we are now living during the thousand years described in
Revelation 20." The reason why the manual is commenting on a Partial Preterist interpretation is because they understood early on that Partial Preterism leads to a fulfilled conclusion. A little like, "kill it before it grows", so to speak.
All three of your points hinge on how
Matthew 24,
Mark 13, and
Luke 21 are interpreted.
I understand that you are still looking into those chapters and hope you consider the importance of the time langauge and how if those three chapters are not fulfilled in our immediate future we cannot have a future ccoming of Chirst.
Again please consider the problem of Gog and Magog.
Matthew 24,
Mark 13, and
Luke 21 all speak of a tribulation.
Mat 24:21
"For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, NOR EVER SHALL BE."
Mar 13:19
"For in those days shall be affliction, such as was not from the beginning of the creation which God created unto this time, NEITHER SHALL BE."
Luk 21:22
"For these be the days of vengeance, that ALL THINGS WHICH ARE WRITTEN MAY BE FULFILLED."
Rev 20:8-9
"And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them."
If we are told by Jesus Christ that there would be a great tribulation in
Matthew 24, and
Mark 13, and that in
Luke 21 it would be a day of vengeance that all (100%) of things that have been written (every jot and tittle) would be fulfilled. Now, if the book of Revelation is yet to be fulfilled after chapter 19, we then run into another battle which is the battle of Gog and Magog. How if the tribulation spoken of Jesus Christ in Matthew, and Mark are such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor EVER SHALL BE! How do we end up with another battle that Jesus never warned us about. Partial Preterist have no answer for that question. There is no such thing as partial futurism. The Bible doesn't bare it out.
Brother Jason, it's either all or nothing. Partial Preterism, is a learning curve that sooner or later leads to a total fulfillment. Those who penned the words in the United Pentecostal Church International Manual understood that.
Partial Preterism if one follows it to it ultimate conclusion will finally come to fulfilled eschatology, and Dispensational teachings of Pre-Tribulation rapture makes no sense and creates more questions then it attempts to answer.
This is why Brother Burk and myself are so persistent with those three chapters. In all of my discussions with different individuals I always ask them to explain what they believe concerning End Time teachings, they usually can't answer a great majority of the questions. They usually say that they need to ask one of their minister friends who know more than they, or need to go over their notes or flip charts. People in Pentecost have been getting turned off for years with mind bending ultra confusion of the End Time issue.
When I have sat down with people (no matter what eschatology they believe) and have them explain to me their view, they really can't. When I show them
Matthew 24,
Mark 13, and
Luke 21 are fulfilled the light bulb goes on. The rest is a just a matter of time and study.
I appreciate you and hope all is well between us.
In Jesus name
Brother Benincasa
www.OnTimeJournal.com
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