You Be The Judge: Anderson Vs Burk

[afp1996]

Originally Posted by Esther

Matt 24:34-42
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
(KJV)

When did this happen?

Sister, be careful not to use this passage as a proof text for the rapture. It states that this will be like the days of Noah. In the days of Noah it was the wicked that were taken and righteous who were left. The same happened in AD 70.

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

NOPE again you are incorrect Luke 21:36 that escape usheres them into His presence. And that generation has not passed away last time I looked the Jews yet exist. God has kept His promise.

Acts13:46:

Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word
of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and
judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the
Gentiles.

The Jews of that generation rejected the Son of God and it looks like they,
as Esau, rejected their birthright, despising it! THAT generation!
I can't help what my forefathers did, I am responsible for what I do with
the gospel. Has nothing to do with anyone who claims to be "Jews" today.

Romans 2:28,29 tells us who the "true" Jew is! Those who have been and
are circumcised in HEART. They SHOULD know who the "TRUE" Israel is also.

[Esther]

17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.
(KJV)


Luke 11:31
31 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with the men of this generation, and condemn them: for she came from the utmost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.(KJV)


Luke 11:32
32 The men of Nineve shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
(KJV)

I can almost see where you get your belief from the above scriptures, but in light of all the scriptures on "this generation" they do not ALL line up, as the one listed below shows this has not happened. At least I have never heard of it happening and to my knowledge it is not recorded in the Bible nor history, but is something prophecied to happen in the future.

Luke 17:25-30
25 But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.
26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
(KJV)

Has it rained fire and brimstone from heaven when the Son of man was revealed?

[Esther]

Originally Posted by afp1996

Sister, be careful not to use this passage as a proof text for the rapture. It states that this will be like the days of Noah. In the days of Noah it was the wicked that were taken and righteous who were left. The same happened in AD 70.

Really? Where is that documented?

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Esther

Really? Where is that documented?

AND look at Zech. 14 where the Lord destroys those who come against Jerusalem the EXACT OPPOSITE happened at 70AD.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Falla39

Acts13:46:

Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word
of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and
judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the
Gentiles.

The Jews of that generation rejected the Son of God and it looks like they,
as Esau, rejected their birthright, despising it! THAT generation!
I can't help what my forefathers did, I am responsible for what I do with
the gospel. Has nothing to do with anyone who claims to be "Jews" today.

Romans 2:28,29 tells us who the "true" Jew is! Those who have been and
are circumcised in HEART. They SHOULD know who the "TRUE" Israel is also.

The 'generation' here is the Jews and NO that generation has not been annihilated though Titus and Hitler tried they yet exist today so the scripture it true. God has preserved them.

[Steve Epley]

Originally Posted by Esther

17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon are fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ are fourteen generations.
(KJV)


Luke 11:31
31 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with the men of this generation, and condemn them: for she came from the utmost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here.(KJV)


Luke 11:32
32 The men of Nineve shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a greater than Jonas is here.
(KJV)

I can almost see where you get your belief from the above scriptures, but in light of all the scriptures on "this generation" they do not ALL line up, as the one listed below shows this has not happened. At least I have never heard of it happening and to my knowledge it is not recorded in the Bible nor history, but is something prophecied to happen in the future.

Luke 17:25-30
25 But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.
26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
(KJV)

Has it rained fire and brimstone from heaven when the Son of man was revealed?

Rome was Heaven and Titus was the fire and the clouds are clouds of dust from the chariots. NOT joking I read one preterist say that.

[Falla39]

Originally Posted by Falla39

Acts13:46:

Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word
of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and
judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the
Gentiles.

The Jews of that generation rejected the Son of God and it looks like they,
as Esau, rejected their birthright, despising it! THAT generation!
I can't help what my forefathers did, I am responsible for what I do with
the gospel. Has nothing to do with anyone who claims to be "Jews" today.

Romans 2:28,29 tells us who the "true" Jew is! Those who have been and
are circumcised in HEART. They SHOULD know who the "TRUE" Israel is also.

Acts13: 40, KJV

40 Beware therefore, lest that come upon you, which is spoken of in the prophets;

41 Behold, ye despisers, and wonder, and perish: for I work a work in your days, a work which ye shall in no wise believe, though a man declare it unto you.

42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God.

44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God.

45 But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.

46 Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles.

47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.

48 And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

49 And the word of the Lord was published throughout all the region.

50 But the Jews stirred up the devout and honourable women, and the chief men of the city, and raised persecution against Paul and Barnabas, and expelled them out of their coasts.

51 But they shook off the dust of their feet against them, and came unto Iconium.

52 And the disciples were filled with joy, and with the Holy Ghost.

There were believing Jews that came into the church, (the beginning
of a NEW generation). The un-believing Jews were given a "space of grace)
to repent, but they repented not. There was a separation of the unbelievers
and the believers, just as there is in our generation. Those who have the
Spirit of The Living GOD within, shall come forth as surely as those green
leaves on those trees in our yard have come forth after a winter season.

I see some trees across the alley that the limbs have died. Something, and
I can see what it is. Bunches of mistletoe (a type of parasite, or leech) a
something that sucks the blood, sap, life out of a body, plant or other, has
and is doing it's work to kill and destroy those trees. The mistletoe is green
and stays green, although it is much smaller than the huge tree. I told my
neighbor last year IF she didn't get rid of the mistletoe, her trees would die.
She had someone cut a few dead limbs off, but the mistletoe, like gangrene
has continued (like sin) to kill the tree. (body)

Those who die, without the Spirit, like the same Spirit that raised Christ from
the dead will not spring forth in its season. That body has no life in it.

My neighbors tree, unless some drastic measures are taken and even then,
it may be too late, God knows, her tree will be lost. It will not spring forth with
green leaves when springtime comes again. It is not a fruit tree but if
it were, it would bear no fruit WITHOUT the life, Spirit (sap flowing through it!)

Just some thoughts this morning.

Falla39

[Timmy]

Man. If only the Bible could post, and interpret itself!

[TK Burk]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

Rome was Heaven and Titus was the fire and the clouds are clouds of dust from the chariots. NOT joking I read one preterist say that.

Who, Eld. Epley? Who was it that said this? I have never read this from anyone. Please tell us who it was that said this.