Moses' Wife or Wives

[TJJJ]

Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen

AMEN! Good to see someone else who can look past the bias and not call something sin that many holy men of GOD practiced.

I'm also sure there are some of GOD's people overseas (in Africa and the Middle East) who still practice polygamy, and they are our brethren.

-Bro. Alex

Having someone be our brother does not excuse their ignorance. Time and history have proven out that polygamy produces jealousy, envy, hatred and strife in a home and family. Polygamy was, and is, mostly practiced because of the perversion of a heart of man! It is another excuse for adultery!

I could almost bet, sept5, that you are a male. Sure, it might seem macho to a man to have 5 wives, yet what would the 5 wives think? You say AMEN! You don't have a clue the spiritual oppression behind polygamy. The perversion and the power struggles that exist. If you did you would never say AMEN!

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[edjen01]

interesting.

St.Paul does write about having multiple wives....and it is included in the canon....making it Biblical....and he says twice in Timothy and once in Titus that if someone wants to be an elder/bishop/overseer/deacon that he should be the husband of only one wife.

Since St.Paul was a learned student of Jewish law and history....then he must have known of Moses(and all the rest)...but clearly St.Paul believes that the "rules" have changed.

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen

AMEN! Good to see someone else who can look past the bias and not call something sin that many holy men of GOD practiced.

I'm also sure there are some of GOD's people overseas (in Africa and the Middle East) who still practice polygamy, and they are our brethren.

-Bro. Alex

It's not just overseas. With African American men in this country, some practice a form of polygamy by having children by several different women, living with different women, and being supported by several women. They figure that if it was good enough for father Abraham (a friend of God) and David (a man after God's heart), it's OK for them.

[LadyRev]

Originally Posted by Sept5SavedTeen

AMEN! Good to see someone else who can look past the bias and not call something sin that many holy men of GOD practiced.

I'm also sure there are some of GOD's people overseas (in Africa and the Middle East) who still practice polygamy, and they are our brethren.

-Bro. Alex

God "allowed" some things due to the hardness of men's hearts. However, God did not "approve" of everything he allowed.

Just as the bride of Christ is espoused to ONE husband, likewise the bride submits to ONE husband, not multiple husbands.

[TJJJ]

Originally Posted by LadyRev

God "allowed" some things due to the hardness of men's hearts. However, God did not "approve" of everything he allowed.

Just as the bride of Christ is espoused to ONE husband, likewise the bride submits to ONE husband, not multiple husbands.

Thank you! I agree! But according to some on this thread it is only for the husband to have rights! They must feel that the only right that a woman should have is the right to share her husband with other women!

[TJJJ]

Originally Posted by Sam

It's not just overseas. With African American men in this country, some practice a form of polygamy by having children by several different women, living with different women, and being supported by several women. They figure that if it was good enough for father Abraham (a friend of God) and David (a man after God's heart), it's OK for them.

Move to Utah! The conservative estimate is that there are over 30,000 polygamists in the western US. All white I should add!

Then don't forget the hispanic population! Very common for them to have more than one with multiple families! We have addressed the issue in the last year in our home church! Very current!

Poligamy is a big problem even today!

[Sept5SavedTeen]

Originally Posted by Sam

It's not just overseas. With African American men in this country, some practice a form of polygamy by having children by several different women, living with different women, and being supported by several women. They figure that if it was good enough for father Abraham (a friend of God) and David (a man after God's heart), it's OK for them.

Yes, what you say is the sad situation of some, and I believe this sort of thing upsets GOD greatly. If the man wants to make each one of these women his wives, then that is one thing, but if he wants these women to just call up at whim and have relations with, then that is a whole other.

There was a Black Hebrew Israelite on 20/20 though, in their show on polygamy a few months back, who had four wives (who all actually looked a lot alike, which smacks against the logic of "these men want lots of different women and whatnot"... because one almost looked like the other, so he wasn't getting "variety"), and they all lived together, and he owned a vegetarian restaurant and they lived in Chicago or Detroit I think. The women claimed that it is difficult to find a good black man, and so they found one and they live in a plural marriage arrangement, and are happy with things.

Originally Posted by LadyRev

God "allowed" some things due to the hardness of men's hearts. However, God did not "approve" of everything he allowed.

Just as the bride of Christ is espoused to ONE husband, likewise the bride submits to ONE husband, not multiple husbands.

Ok, let's look at various "situations" and see the approval and disapproval of GOD...

Relations between the unmarried- Disapproved of, plainly, in many Scriptures concerning fornication

Relations of married people with those other than their spouse- Disapproved of, "Thou shalt not commit adultery"

Homosexual relations- Disapproved of, as an abomination, and something done by the reprobate


Ok, so there, we see Scripture clearly disapproving of those things.

Is monogamous marriage approved of? Yes. Is celibacy approved of? Yes. Is polygamy disapproved of? No. The case is NOT clear AT ALL if we are to find a case for polygamy's disapproval. GOD allows/approves of people marrying or being celibate. When a man takes a wife, there is nothing that says he can not take another, and Scripture shows us where men took multiple wives. The only prohibition on a man with multiple wives, is in regards to being able to serve as a bishop/elder/deacon.

-Bro. Alex

[Sept5SavedTeen]

Originally Posted by TJJJ

Thank you! I agree! But according to some on this thread it is only for the husband to have rights! They must feel that the only right that a woman should have is the right to share her husband with other women!

A loving husband will not force polygamy on his wife.

I am not some Mormon, who believes plural marriage is the way to some spiritual exaltation. Plural marriage, like all marriage, is temporal, and ends at death. If a man takes multiple wives, it does not "exalt" him in any way, and it keeps him from being a bishop/elder/deacon (although more could be said on the matter of this leadership prohibition, which I am still grappling with, I should not make it sound so cut-and-dry, as I did in my last post, concerning this possible "prohibition").

-Bro. Alex

[Sept5SavedTeen]

Originally Posted by TJJJ

Move to Utah! The conservative estimate is that there are over 30,000 polygamists in the western US. All white I should add!

Then don't forget the hispanic population! Very common for them to have more than one with multiple families! We have addressed the issue in the last year in our home church! Very current!

Poligamy is a big problem even today!

That was the issue with my great-grandfather, he had three "women" (not wives, which makes what he did dishonorable), and he fathered 13 children between them. Our last family reunion, in 2002 had over 150 people, and that was not even all of the family. When he died, and the family got together again in July of 2008, it was really amazing to see all of the people come together. He was a wicked man, but the effect of this procreating, brought about some saved people, and I love the members of my family, even if they did come as a result of bad decisions.

Two of the women he had children with were at his funeral. My great-grandmother was his wife- I am of the legitimate line... BOO-YAH!

-Bro. Alex

[Sept5SavedTeen]

Originally Posted by TJJJ

Having someone be our brother does not excuse their ignorance. Time and history have proven out that polygamy produces jealousy, envy, hatred and strife in a home and family. Polygamy was, and is, mostly practiced because of the perversion of a heart of man! It is another excuse for adultery!

I could almost bet, sept5, that you are a male. Sure, it might seem macho to a man to have 5 wives, yet what would the 5 wives think? You say AMEN! You don't have a clue the spiritual oppression behind polygamy. The perversion and the power struggles that exist. If you did you would never say AMEN!

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That's not what it's about in my mind. Not that I have any plans to be a polygamist- I can't even find one sister to marry... However, as for this "macho" thing, it is "macho" to have as many women as you want, and different women, and not get bogged down with kids, and be "cool" or whatever. When a man takes on a wife, he has "buckled down" and become a family man. Most men can't handle one wife, and the 2.2 kids. When a man has 5 wives, as you provide the example, and 24 children, he is probably the furthest thing from macho, providing he knows all their names, it working hard to support them, and gives them his time (constantly- forget about "me time") as a father and husband and spiritual leader (in this scenario) of 29 people.

Also, as for "oppression", I have spoken with polygamists, and many of them are happy. There is a group of polygamists about 5 miles from one of the places I stay, and they are not Mormons or anything like that, they have just chose this lifestyle and are happy with things.

-Bro. Alex