As for as being contradictory, the way this situation is being handled is a contradiction of justice.
This Somali is being prosecuted for international crimes against Americans and his trial is being held in America.
He can not get a fair trial here based off of the conflict of the victims of his crime and the jury pool-- all who would be involved would be Americans who have already formed an opinion of this kidnapper of American citizens.
IMO, he should be tried by an international tribunal or tried by his home country. Hopefully, this statement of opinion does not read contradictory.
He is guilty-- but for those who are concerned about fairness, and who want to actually endeavor to be just, what's happening now are a bunch of folks pretending to be "fair".
The end result will be the release of this guy back to the Somali government anyway-- why fake around with all of the nonsense?
Is there ANYONE on this board who really believes this pirate will spend one day of a "sentence" in an American prison?
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As for as being contradictory, the way this situation is being handled is a contradiction of justice.
This Somali is being prosecuted for international crimes against Americans and his trial is being held in America.
He can not get a fair trial here based off of the conflict of the victims of his crime and the jury pool-- all who would be involved would be Americans who have already formed an opinion of this kidnapper of American citizens.
IMO, he should be tried by an international tribunal or tried by his home country. Hopefully, this statement of opinion does not read contradictory.
He is guilty-- but for those who are concerned about fairness, and who want to actually endeavor to be just, what's happening now are a bunch of folks pretending to be "fair".
The end result will be the release of this guy back to the Somali government anyway-- why fake around with all of the nonsense?
Is there ANYONE on this board who really believes this pirate will spend one day of a "sentence" in an American prison?
agree with you bro, got your back, dt
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1. Even if he's sentenced to an American prison ... especially for life ... he's SET! It'd be like a *** mansion with 3 meals a day, a bed with a pillow, weights, basketball, cable tv, etc. I bet you these Pirates, once they see what happens to them when captured ... they'll be turning themselves in PLEADING for Obama to prosecute them with life in an American prison.
(life in a Somali prison ... eh ... not so much)
2. If this was done during Dubya's Presidency, I bet real money the press would be up in arms about that administration prosecuting a poor boy. But The ONE, our majestic Obama has done it, so it's groovy.
Our Press Then: "Hey Dubya, can you look at the camera real weird like, so we can talk about how stupid you are?"
Our Press Now: "Hey BO, can I get another pic with yo shirt off, pleez? You such a buff-tastic Prez."
1. Even if he's sentenced to an American prison ... especially for life ... he's SET! It'd be like a *** mansion with 3 meals a day, a bed with a pillow, weights, basketball, cable tv, etc. I bet you these Pirates, once they see what happens to them when captured ... they'll be turning themselves in PLEADING for Obama to prosecute them with life in an American prison.
(life in a Somali prison ... eh ... not so much)
2. If this was done during Dubya's Presidency, I bet real money the press would be up in arms about that administration prosecuting a poor boy. But The ONE, our majestic Obama has done it, so it's groovy.
Our Press Then: "Hey Dubya, can you look at the camera real weird like, so we can talk about how stupid you are?"
Our Press Now: "Hey BO, can I get another pic with yo shirt off, pleez? You such a buff-tastic Prez."
If GWB was President still, I think this guy would have found a way to be dead already. Somewhere along the way, he would resisted arrest or something....
This just wouldn't be an issue.
However, I think McCain's response would have been a bit too heavy handed.
As far as international diplomacy, Obama is doing a decent job of making friends-- but what will happen when he has to be firm?
We will not see a firm President Obama in the handling of this surviving pirate, unfortunuately.
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If GWB was President still, I think this guy would have found a way to be dead already. Somewhere along the way, he would resisted arrest or something....
This just wouldn't be an issue.
However, I think McCain's response would have been a bit too heavy handed.
As far as international diplomacy, Obama is doing a decent job of making friends-- but what will happen when he has to be firm?
We will not see a firm President Obama in the handling of this surviving pirate, unfortunuately.
I dont believe for one second this guy would be dead if GWB was president. I suspect he would be tried in some place like Kenya though.
As for Obama doing a decent job of making friends, well if you think being buddies with Raul Castro and that freak in Venesuela is a good thing, then there ya go.... we dont agree at all.
I think Obama has been an abysmal failure in foreign policy. much worse than in domestic policy where I think he is a stinking facist pig.
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I dont believe for one second this guy would be dead if GWB was president. I suspect he would be tried in some place like Kenya though.
As for Obama doing a decent job of making friends, well if you think being buddies with Raul Castro and that freak in Venesuela is a good thing, then there ya go.... we dont agree at all.
I think Obama has been an abysmal failure in foreign policy. much worse than in domestic policy where I think he is a stinking facist pig.
Man, with GWB, the guy he picked to personally oversee the situation would somehow "bumbled" this whole ordeal, resulting in the accidental death of the pirate -- which would then be painted as something else.
At any rate, IMO the pirate would already be dead had this occurred on GWB's watch!
It's not new that we don't agree!
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"The choices we make reveal the true nature of our character."
I dont believe for one second this guy would be dead if GWB was president. I suspect he would be tried in some place like Kenya though.
As for Obama doing a decent job of making friends, well if you think being buddies with Raul Castro and that freak in Venesuela is a good thing, then there ya go.... we dont agree at all.
I think Obama has been an abysmal failure in foreign policy. much worse than in domestic policy where I think he is a stinking facist pig.
Here's where BO is going.
Quote:
Obama: The Grand Strategy
by Charles Krauthammer
Why do you think the stimulus package pours $1.1 billion into medical "comparative effectiveness research"? It is the perfect setup for rationing.
Social Security used to be the third rail of American politics. Not anymore. Health care rationing is taking its place -- which is why Obama, the consummate politician, knows to offer the candy (universality) today before serving the spinach (rationing) tomorrow.
Taken as a whole, Obama's social democratic agenda is breathtaking. And the rollout has thus far been brilliant. It follows Kaus' advice to "give pandering a chance" and adheres to the Democratic tradition of being the party that gives things away, while leaving the green-eyeshade stinginess to those heartless Republicans. http://townhall.com/columnists/Charl...grand_strategy
The 9/11 conspirators were folks who were in America legally and did their crimes against Americans on American soil.
Shouldn't he stand trial in Somalia because he is a Somali citizen?
The crimes were not committed on American soil-- is the ship even American property?
The fact that Somalia has no government is a moot issue.
I don't think my tax dollars should be going to give this guy representation in our legal system.
How many thousands will be wasted on this guy? For what purpose?
Could he possibly get a fair trial in the first place? In fact, why would there even be a need for a trial? The only reason he was "captured" is that he was trying to negotiate the release of the hijacked American.
He's already guilty.
It would have been better for the young buck to have been killed than to have brought him back here.
Perhaps God wanted him to have a chance to be saved before you killed him!
Man, with GWB, the guy he picked to personally oversee the situation would somehow "bumbled" this whole ordeal, resulting in the accidental death of the pirate -- which would then be painted as something else.
At any rate, IMO the pirate would already be dead had this occurred on GWB's watch!
It's not new that we don't agree!
I dont think you can find a single case where that happened under GWB.
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