Baptisms

[Arphaxad]

What is the baptism of fire John refers to in Mathew 3:11 and Luke 3:16?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by Arphaxad

What is the baptism of fire John refers to in Mathew 3:11 and Luke 3:16?

again, there are differences of opinion.

--Some see it as a second work of grace i.e. sanctification that burns out our sinful nature.
--Some see it as the Holy Spirit working in us through fiery trials burning out the dross.
--Some see it as the Holy Spirit zeal/fire.
--Some see it as being baptized/plunged into the lake of fire. So in Matthew 3 they see two contrasting baptisms: in the Spirit for salvation or in the lake of fire for those who don't get baptized in the Spirit.

[Arphaxad]

Originally Posted by Sam

again, there are differences of opinion.

--Some see it as a second work of grace i.e. sanctification that burns out our sinful nature.
--Some see it as the Holy Spirit working in us through fiery trials burning out the dross.
--Some see it as the Holy Spirit zeal/fire.
--Some see it as being baptized/plunged into the lake of fire. So in Matthew 3 they see two contrasting baptisms: in the Spirit for salvation or in the lake of fire for those who don't get baptized in the Spirit.

I lean towards the 4th one.
Words are defined by their context. "fire'' is used in M and L, but not Mark. M and L also say that Pharisees and Saducees, Annas and Caiaphas,publicans were there. Mark doesn't mention them. The way "fire" is used in M 3:10,3:12 and L 3:9, 3;17, John was telling them that HG baptism is for those that would repent and the (unquenchable) fire was for those that don't.

[Praxeas]

If he says "With the Holy Ghost AND with Fire" then that is one baptism. IF he says "With the Holy Ghost OR with Fire" then that is two...

[KWSS1976]

Prax the way you worded that holygohst AND with fire are two.... if I give you a car you cannot drive it unless you have keys so I give you the car and the keys TWO THINGS..Holyghost OR Fire 1 thing..I give you the keys or the car take your pick which ONE