About fasting and war fare!! - Page 2

shawndell · #11 05-01-2009, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ForeverBlessed

You are right... reading the Word is important too.

I know that my brother also said that in walking with God, we think we have conquered things of the flesh, but in fasting, we can also be shown hidden things in our hearts or bring to surface things that we need to deal with. Reading the Word while fasting can make you more sensitive to understanding as you are reading.

I know that when I am studying and not understanding some things, I will pray, dedicate a fast for a time of studying and things will become more clear as I study.

Reading the word when fasting does open your eyes more to the things of God I have also noticed that to.

deltaguitar · #12 05-01-2009, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ForeverBlessed

We are in spiritual warfare...

2 Cor 10:3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war after the flesh: 4(For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal, but mighty through God to the pulling down of strong holds 5 Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

This scripture is dealing with our sinful nature and our living in a sinful world. We are not at war with natural things but at war with our own spirit. It is not our job to fight the devil or evil spirits. However, if you want to deal with them they will be there and fight you all you want.

deltaguitar · #13 05-01-2009, 02:18 PM

Another thing, to try to fast in order to get the victory or overcome sin is very close to becoming legalistic. The only thing that can allow us to overcome sin is to trust in the work of Calvary. Praying, bible study, and fasting are good things for the christian but not the means to overcome sin. Overcoming sin comes by the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit. We are to trust only in Christ for our salvation.

Ron · #14 05-01-2009, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar

This scripture is dealing with our sinful nature and our living in a sinful world. We are not at war with natural things but at war with our own spirit. It is not our job to fight the devil or evil spirits. However, if you want to deal with them they will be there and fight you all you want.

???????
You got that out of that same Bible that says there is no need for water baptism in Jesus name for remission of sins?

Ron · #15 05-01-2009, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Another thing, to try to fast in order to get the victory or overcome sin is very close to becoming legalistic. The only thing that can allow us to overcome sin is to trust in the work of Calvary. Praying, bible study, and fasting are good things for the christian but not the means to overcome sin. Overcoming sin comes by the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit. We are to trust only in Christ for our salvation.

Catholics believe the same thing, there is no need to turn around from the way they are living!

Esther · #16 05-01-2009, 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar

This scripture is dealing with our sinful nature and our living in a sinful world. We are not at war with natural things but at war with our own spirit. It is not our job to fight the devil or evil spirits. However, if you want to deal with them they will be there and fight you all you want.

Someone has deluded you I am afraid. If you think you have only your own spirit to war with you have been greatly deceived.

Esther · #17 05-01-2009, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by deltaguitar

Another thing, to try to fast in order to get the victory or overcome sin is very close to becoming legalistic. The only thing that can allow us to overcome sin is to trust in the work of Calvary. Praying, bible study, and fasting are good things for the christian but not the means to overcome sin. Overcoming sin comes by the sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit. We are to trust only in Christ for our salvation.

Well I guess this is a first, legalistic? Fasting is not legalisitc, but necessary.

Folks, that don't like to fast, and most don't, will look for reasons to not fast. But that is why we need to fast to put our flesh under subjection to God.

Ron · #18 05-01-2009, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Esther

Well I guess this is a first, legalistic? Fasting is not legalisitc, but necessary.

Folks, that don't like to fast, and most don't, will look for reasons to not fast. But that is why we need to fast to put our flesh under subjection to God.

Stop Esther, you make too much sense!

Praxeas · #19 05-01-2009, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by shawndell

Has any one experiensed a satanic battle during a fast? Every time I have ever fasted I have been attacked and I was wondering if I was the only one.Ome time I experienced a deep depression for several days until I figured out what was happening,then I rebuked it in Jesus name and as soon as I did I felt a calm,but then the next day the depression would start again and the battle would rage on every day.Then one time I was laying down and I did not go to sleep because I could hear my family in the other room but I could not move and something scratched my face,I could only think the name Jesus before I could move and I went to look in the mirror because where I was scratched at was burning but there was no scrach marks.I just wonder if any one has had these kind of battles during a fast?

Dunno about the scratch, but anyone that does not eat for a while can experience depression.

As far as the "not being able to move" part. I had that happen when I first came to the Lord as I was sleeping. I only had one other incident similar many years later when I went back east. Neither happened while fasting

Praxeas · #20 05-01-2009, 07:12 PM

Eph 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Eph 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armor of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Eph 6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
Eph 6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
Eph 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
Eph 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
Eph 6:18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

1Jn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1Jn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

Jas 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.

1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
1Pe 5:9 Whom resist steadfast in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions are accomplished in your brethren that are in the world.