I make no arguments about the Scripture spoken of in this verse being inspired and profitable (that'd be the Old Testament...). But it never makes the claim that it's infallible. (unless someone can find a verse I haven't found)
So why do people think it's infallible, anyway? Never really thought of that before! Did someone just make it up? Does it seem like it should be infallible, so they say it is?
Come on, there must be a scripture for this, somewhere! Anyone?
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No that is not right. I am no Calvinist who believes Jesus does not want to save some people.
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Did you think I just made it up?
Mark 4:11-12 11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: 12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
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I already told you of a mountain I moved in my financial struggle. I tried what the bible said, and doubted nothing, and it worked!
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That's a good point. It could very well be true that God sometimes works miracles for those select few who somehow muster up enough faith and dispel every trace of doubt. And you probably agree that it is very few that actually arrive at that lofty goal. You are very, very lucky!
And I bet you really, really love God, don't you? He does so much for you! But maybe God appreciates the love of others who aren't so lucky, even more: that vast majority who don't move mountains, but love Him anyway. They pray for healing, but, sadly, there was a microscopic spec of doubt. And God couldn't heal. But they keep on loving Him anyway! Yes, I can imagine that God really loves those faithful (so to speak!) folks.
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Usually theology starts out with the premise of proving the existence of God. This is many times for the Atheist or the Agnostic for if there is no God then why would we believe in a Word of God. If we cannot prove one portion is the Wrod of God we then might as well discount the whole.
This is called systematic theology. Once the overwhelming evidence for God is Proven then we go to the infallibility of the Word of God.
When we turn to this method of proving the veracity of Gods word various forms are used to prove this.
Isa 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.
God is a reasonable God and we anso can use reason to verify our faith. Our faith is founded on substance and evidence.
Number one reason we believe it is is because it claims to be the Word of God.
2Ti 3:16 All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
Jesus expressed that the Word of God was scriptures and gave veracity that the Old Testament was the Word of God.
Joh 5:39 Search the Scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
Many don't want to believe that it is no matter how much evidence is provided because then they will have to agree that there is a God and if he made the rules then he can bring judgment for disobedience.
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You bring some good points to the table.
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Do you have faith? Without a tiny bit of doubt? Can you do "greater works than these"? Can you move mountains?
No. You probably cannot. You and every single human on the face of the earth have at least a tiny bit of doubt. Apparently. Otherwise, there'd be such miracles that nobody could deny them. Some news outlets might be so evil and satanic that they wouldn't show them, but not every outlet would do that. The word would get out that amputees are growing new arms and legs. Hospitals are being emptied. (Except for the few that God wants to be sick, I guess.) The dead are being raised!
Ah, but that's not how God works, sadly. No, He doesn't want the world at large to have undeniable proof that He is at work in the world, that His "word" is true. He would rather reward the very few that decide to believe it without proof. More satisfying that way.
Is that about right? Well, it says right there in the Bible, Jesus doesn't want to save some people. So, I guess I'm not too far off.
Timmy why don't you get a book about John G Lake's life? During his ministry it is told that the hospitals did empty. When you see miracles happen as a regular thing, your faith builds and it is easy to believe that God is going to heal.
The problem today is to many have not seen miracles and they have little or no faith to see a miracle.
But as usual man wants to first blame God, never blame man, after all man is near perfect, right?
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Timmy why don't you get a book about John G Lake's life? During his ministry it is told that the hospitals did empty. When you see miracles happen as a regular thing, your faith builds and it is easy to believe that God is going to heal.
The problem today is to many have not seen miracles and they have little or no faith to see a miracle.
But as usual man wants to first blame God, never blame man, after all man is near perfect, right?
I do not blame God for anything. I blame man, same as you.
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I do not blame God for anything. I blame man, same as you.
Ah, well I wasn't getting that from your post. Good to know.
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No that is not right. I am no Calvinist who believes Jesus does not want to save some people
Did you think I just made it up?
Mark 4:11-12 11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: 12 That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.
Let's read Matthew's version and get it more clearly.
Matthew 13:13-15 KJV Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand. (14) And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive: (15) For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them.
They have closed their own eyes.
When God blinds, God does not disallow anyone from getting saved UNLESS THEY HAD THE CHANCE AND HE BLINDS THEM TO NOT FURTHER GET A CHANCE.
Watch the context:
Romans 1:18-24 KJV For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; (19) Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. (20) For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: (21) Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. (22) Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, (23) And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. (24) Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
God only blinds or gives people up after they plainly see the reality of God and make a decision to not glorify Him as God. THAT is when all the blindness occurs.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
That's a good point. It could very well be true that God sometimes works miracles for those select few who somehow muster up enough faith and dispel every trace of doubt. And you probably agree that it is very few that actually arrive at that lofty goal. You are very, very lucky!
It has nothing to do with luck. It has to do with people deciding to do so or not. Everyone can, but some folks get themselves too bogged into unbelief that make it less a possibility than with those who chose to not speak so much doubt.
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And I bet you really, really love God, don't you? He does so much for you! But maybe God appreciates the love of others who aren't so lucky, even more: that vast majority who don't move mountains, but love Him anyway. They pray for healing, but, sadly, there was a microscopic spec of doubt. And God couldn't heal. But they keep on loving Him anyway! Yes, I can imagine that God really loves those faithful (so to speak!) folks.
I mean no demeaning or disrespect, but speak objectively here. Your words remain filled with unbelief. The more you speak like this, the deeper you will sink, T. It has nothing to do with luck. It has to do with whether or not we made decisions to doubt. The road of doubt simply brings more and more doubt the further we walk it.
When the day is done, the fact remains that each of us made our own beds. Belief in luck only excuses our parts in the picture.
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"Many Christians do not try to understand what was written in a verse in the Bible. Instead they approach the passage to prove what they already believe."
I am no Calvinist who believes Jesus does not want to save some people.
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