Many commentaries say that. But the key is why Jesus specifically gave the reason to Mary as not having yet ascended to the Father. How would that apply to general idea of clinging to Him?
Maybe like this, "Hey I gotta run you need to let go now."
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Maybe like this, "Hey I gotta run you need to let go now."
If there was just one ascension, from the Mount of Olives many days later, this would be a little weird. So much to do, so little time? He didn't seem rushed, at any of the other appearances to people.
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If there was just one ascension, from the Mount of Olives many days later, this would be a little weird. So much to do, so little time? He didn't seem rushed, at any of the other appearances to people.
McDonalds was about to to quit serving breakfast and he had to get going because Papa wanted him to pick up a sausage mcmuffin. I don't know what his schedule was.
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McDonalds was about to to quit serving breakfast and he had to get going because Papa wanted him to pick up a sausage mcmuffin. I don't know what his schedule was.
OK, but if there was something urgent to do, not recorded, it wouldn't make sense to offer the 'not ascended yet' reason, right then, would it? Unless there really was another, unrecorded, ascension, as some are saying. But then there is the point I made in my first post.
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Why did Jesus tell Mary "Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father:" and then, eight days later, asked Thomas to "Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side:"
11But Mary stood without at the sepulchre weeping: and as she wept, she stooped down, and looked into the sepulchre,
12And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at the head, and the other at the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain.
13And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? She saith unto them, Because they have taken away my LORD, and I know not where they have laid him.
14And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.
15Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away.
16Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.
17Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.
26And after eight days again his disciples were within, and Thomas with them: then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.
27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
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Touch me not ... - This passage has given rise to a variety of interpretations. Jesus required Thomas to touch him Joh_20:27, and it has been difficult to ascertain why he forbade this now to Mary. The reason why he directed Thomas to do this was, that he doubted whether he had been restored to life. Mary did not doubt that. The reason why he forbade her to touch him now is to be sought in the circumstances of the case. Mary, filled with joy and gratitude, was about to prostrate herself at his feet, disposed to remain with him, and offer him there her homage as her risen Lord. This is probably included in the word touch in this place; and the language of Jesus may mean this: “Do not approach me now for this purpose. Do not delay here. Other opportunities will yet be afforded to see me. I have not yet ascended - that is, I am not about to ascend immediately, but shall remain yet on earth to afford opportunity to my disciples to enjoy my presence.” From Mat_28:9, it appears that the women, when they met Jesus, held him by the feet and worshipped him. This species of adoration it was probably the intention of Mary to offer, and this, at that time, Jesus forbade, and directed her to go at once and give his disciples notice that he had risen.
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I am in my office and have no resources but did Jesus use the same words to both Thomas and Mary? I thought the idea with Mary was quit clinging to me, let go, rather than not touching.
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Many commentaries say that. But the key is why Jesus specifically gave the reason to Mary as not having yet ascended to the Father. How would that apply to general idea of clinging to Him?
These commentaries must be the prophecy leading to the Star Trek series and movies. Mary being the first Klingon.
Touch me not ... - This passage has given rise to a variety of interpretations. Jesus required Thomas to touch him Joh_20:27, and it has been difficult to ascertain why he forbade this now to Mary. The reason why he directed Thomas to do this was, that he doubted whether he had been restored to life. Mary did not doubt that. The reason why he forbade her to touch him now is to be sought in the circumstances of the case. Mary, filled with joy and gratitude, was about to prostrate herself at his feet, disposed to remain with him, and offer him there her homage as her risen Lord. This is probably included in the word touch in this place; and the language of Jesus may mean this: “Do not approach me now for this purpose. Do not delay here. Other opportunities will yet be afforded to see me. I have not yet ascended - that is, I am not about to ascend immediately, but shall remain yet on earth to afford opportunity to my disciples to enjoy my presence.” From Mat_28:9, it appears that the women, when they met Jesus, held him by the feet and worshipped him. This species of adoration it was probably the intention of Mary to offer, and this, at that time, Jesus forbade, and directed her to go at once and give his disciples notice that he had risen.
Actually, give them notice that He ascends to the Father.
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However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. 14 He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. 15 All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you.
16 “A little while, and you will not see Me; and again a little while, and you will see Me, because I go to the Father.” 17 Then some of His disciples said among themselves, “What is this that He says to us, ‘A little while, and you will not see Me; and again a little while, and you will see Me’; and, ‘because I go to the Father’?” 18 They said therefore, “What is this that He says, ‘A little while’? We do not know what He is saying.”
19 Now Jesus knew that they desired to ask Him, and He said to them, “Are you inquiring among yourselves about what I said, ‘A little while, and you will not see Me; and again a little while, and you will see Me’? 20 Most assuredly, I say to you that you will weep and lament, but the world will rejoice; and you will be sorrowful, but your sorrow will be turned into joy
Remember the disciples were ignorant and unlearned fishermen. They were
not college graduates. Jesus taught them as little children, Simple and plain.
He taught them while he was with them. Later, after he ascended, they
would remember things he had said unto them and understand what he was
talking about. Right before he ascended he opened their understanding, that
they might understand the scriptures. On occasion he told them he had many
things to say to them but they could not bear (hear.understand) it. They
were not mature enough. Also Paul taught, knowing the churches did not
fully understand, but as they matured they would.
It is no different today. In later years, after my children were grown and gone,
I have applied myself to diligently "eat" the Word. Many things I did not under-
stand when I was younger and immature, are clear today. but as He sees I'm
hungry and ready for more, HE leads and guides me into more.
If we never apply ourselves to get out of elementary school, we won't be
promoted to the middle grades, and eventually to high school. Then there
is higher education and life's experiences which we can learn from. It is a
progressive journey.
Many times today I see much younger people with an attitude that just
because they've been to a Bible College OR secular college, they know it
all!! Let me say to whom it might concern: THERE IS ONLY ONE KNOW IT ALL!
ALLLLLL-MIGHTY GOD!!!!!! HIS NAME IS JESUS!!!
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