Is baptism essential unto salvation?

[clgustaveson]

Originally Posted by Falla39

Perhaps a much simplier way to say what I was endeavoring to say would be

"except ye repent (turn from your wicked ways (unbelief) ye shall all likewise
perish. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved BUT he that believeth
NOT shall be damned",
GOD WILL NOT DWELL (live, make HIS abode ) in an
UNCLEAN temple) body.
Repent (make an about face) and be baptized (immersed) in the NAME of
Jesus Christ for the remission (or remitting) of sin and you SHALL receive
the gift of the HOLY GHOST!!

John 3:16-18
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Mark 16:15-17:
15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues.

Blessings,

Falla39

This still does not answer the purpose of the thread....

[clgustaveson]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

NOT ONE person from Pentecost until present has recieved remission of sins without being immersed in in water while the name of Jesus Christ was invoked over them.

Wow, God bless you but I feel like that is why I refuse to accept this doctrine...

Jesus died for the propitiation of sins both past and present, the power of Jesus' death is not bound by your singular opinion, and quite frankly I feel like that statement is close to blaspheme...

[Adino]

Originally Posted by Steve Epley

YES a man will be condemned though his sins were forgiven at Calvary ...... I contend though YOU have faith in the slain Lamb historically YOU MUST apply the blood as PRESCRIBED!

Steve, I think you have a major concern here.

Why must WE apply the blood which the resurrection proves has already been applied and accepted by God?

Our sin was Christ's and it was removed BEFORE the resurrection, thus, as far as the sin imputed to Christ is concerned, it is a matter of history, proven by the resurrection, that the blood has already been applied in the eyes of God (else Christ would not have been raised).

Do you believe the blood of Christ must be applied twice? Once before the resurrection and then again when we are baptized?

AND...

What is the blood being applied to in baptism? You've already conceded that our sins were remitted before the resurrection. If they are historically removed, what is the blood being applied to in baptism?

Your position seems inconsistent. Please clarify.

[Adino]

Originally Posted by Adino

Steve, I think you have a major concern here.

Why must WE apply the blood which the resurrection proves has already been applied and accepted by God?

Our sin was Christ's and it was removed BEFORE the resurrection, thus, as far as the sin imputed to Christ is concerned, it is a matter of history, proven by the resurrection, that the blood has already been applied in the eyes of God (else Christ would not have been raised).

Do you believe the blood of Christ must be applied twice? Once before the resurrection and then again when we are baptized?

AND...

What is the blood being applied to in baptism? You've already conceded that our sins were remitted before the resurrection. If they are historically removed, what is the blood being applied to in baptism?

Your position seems inconsistent. Please clarify.

Anyone who holds to baptismal sin remission can share a thought here.

[Adino]

Can we all agree that the blood of Christ is NOT applied to our sins in baptism?

[freeatlast]

Originally Posted by Adino

Anyone who holds to baptismal sin remission can share a thought here.

Steve must be gone..looking up the definition of imputed.

[Adino]

Can we all agree that the blood of Christ is NOT applied to our sins in baptism?

[HopePreacher]

I've been out of this discussion for a while...
Does anyone have any scriptural references that directly tie baptism to the application of the blood of Christ? When I say "directly" I mean a reference that clearly and intentionally tie the two together?

[Falla39]

A well-known UPC minister said that one thing we have not understood is that
God hid his blood in His Name! I've thought about that a lot.

Gal.3:26-27,
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

John 3-16-18:
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Mark 16:16-18.
14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.

15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

I believe baptism in the Name of Jesus IS ESSENTIAL to salvation.

Luke 24:44-49,
44 And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,

46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

48 And ye are witnesses of these things.

49 And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.

Every baptism in the book of Acts was done as Jesus had opened their understanding to
do. In the name of Jesus Christ. God made him both Lord and Christ.

Acts 2:31-33,
31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

32 This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.

33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath made the same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ.

37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

39 For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the LORD our God shall call.

40 And with many other words did he testify and exhort, saying, Save yourselves from this untoward generation.

41 Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls.

Unbelief blinds the eyes of those who do not believe so that they CANNOT
see. God hid the truth from the wise (in their own eyes) and prudent, and
revealed it unto babes.(those who came to him as little children. (with child-
like faith).

[LUKE2447]

Originally Posted by Adino

Can we all agree that the blood of Christ is NOT applied to our sins in baptism?

NO!