This might sound crazy for a believerthat believes that everything that was for the early church is for Christians today,I think teachings on the gifts have been worked to death,while instruction on the fruit of the Spirit has been tossed aside for the fun stuff and Spiritual fireworks.
I think you should go ahead and preach that sermon and when you're done, we'll pass the plate and take up an offering.
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In essentials, unity. In non-essentials, liberty. In all things, charity. Augustine
I was getting more to the "we must produce" the fruit. I'm not sure I believe that the "gifts" have anything to do with producing the "fruit" in us. I'm not sure that "we" produce the fruit. I believe that the Holy Spirit produces that fruit in us which then conveys to a lost world.
The fruits of the spirit aren't the same as the fruits of our labor for Christ such as winning souls and accomplishing things for Kingdom of God. I don't see that we "produce" the fruits of the spirit.
I guess it probably comes down to how we're defining "produce".
I do not agree completely. Yes to produce the Fruit of the Spirit we must have the Spirit to start with but we must cultivate it to get it to produce. I have seen many go down in baptism and claim to have received the Holy Ghost and never seen anything remotely close to Love, Joy, Peace, Long Suffering, etc etc in them. Also people can truly be converted and truly receive the Holy Ghost and still have a problem with those areas. They, because of the Spirit, work on it and do better but it is not automatic in them.
No one really wants patience,because who desires trials ? yet trials work patience in us.
When The Lord,has His plow in His Hand He works us over good,but the end result brings Glory to Him.
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People who are always looking for fault,can find it easily all they have to do,is look into their mirror.
There they can find plenty of fault.
Thanks MIKEINAR if The Lords opens the doors I do intend to teach on this subject.
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People who are always looking for fault,can find it easily all they have to do,is look into their mirror.
There they can find plenty of fault.
One things that prompts my interest in this subject,when I see the lack of the fruit in my own experience,which I desire to have a closer with God.
When I look in my own heart,I see things that don't please The Father.
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People who are always looking for fault,can find it easily all they have to do,is look into their mirror.
There they can find plenty of fault.
I do not agree completely. Yes to produce the Fruit of the Spirit we must have the Spirit to start with but we must cultivate it to get it to produce. I have seen many go down in baptism and claim to have received the Holy Ghost and never seen anything remotely close to Love, Joy, Peace, Long Suffering, etc etc in them. Also people can truly be converted and truly receive the Holy Ghost and still have a problem with those areas. They, because of the Spirit, work on it and do better but it is not automatic in them.
I actually think the fruits ARE there to varying degrees in everyone who has genuinely repented and receiving the HG. But people still have to deal with their native personalities and unfortunately that is combined with a culture in which the wrong fruits (aka, 'standards') are emphasized.
Notice that the word fruit singular is used in GAL.5:22 and love starts off the list,see joy,peace,long-suffering,gentleness,goodness,faith,Meekness,tempe rance are all differing aspects of love.
If one is rooted in true Christian charity,then the differing aspects of love will manifest themselves.
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People who are always looking for fault,can find it easily all they have to do,is look into their mirror.
There they can find plenty of fault.
Just as a branch can not produce fruit on its on, but must be part of the tree supported but the trunk and fed by the root and producing photo-synthesis in it's leaves, we can not bear fruit all on our on. We must do the part of the branch (our part) to produce the fruit and allow Jesus to do the part of the root/vice/trunk.
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Psa 119:165 (KJV) 165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.
"Do not believe everthing you read on the internet" - Abe Lincoln
Notice that the word fruit singular is used in GAL.5:22 and love starts off the list,see joy,peace,long-suffering,gentleness,goodness,faith,Meekness,tempe rance are all differing aspects of love.
If one is rooted in true Christian charity,then the differing aspects of love will manifest themselves.
One fruit just like an apple tree produces an apple and in the apple are various vitamins and minerals.
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Psa 119:165 (KJV) 165 Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.
"Do not believe everthing you read on the internet" - Abe Lincoln
One fruit just like an apple tree produces an apple and in the apple are various vitamins and minerals.
Amen,go ahead and preach REVDWW cause you can carry the mail.
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People who are always looking for fault,can find it easily all they have to do,is look into their mirror.
There they can find plenty of fault.
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