Were the Apostles wrong?

[Sam]

Originally Posted by helen_febus

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"The basic form of our (Matthew 28:19 Trinitarian) profession of faith took shape during the course
of the second and third centuries in connection with the ceremony of baptism. So far as its
place of origin is concerned, the text (Matthew 28:19) came from the city of Rome."
Catholic Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger (Pope Benedict XVI)

The Trinity baptism and text of Mathew 28:19 therefore did not originate from the original Church
that started in Jerusalem around AD 33. It was rather as the evidence proves a later invention of
Roman Catholicism completely fabricated. Very few know about these historical facts.

God Bless All

what is the source of that quote?

[KWSS1976]

Well if jesus came back then 1 cortih 13:8 is correct

8Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

9For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

10But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

the perfect came already once according to whats been told on here

[helen_febus]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Does it give a time in the bible when the lord will return...?

Ancient refrences to Fulfilled Prophecy.
There are many who have the opinion that fulfilled prophecy was never discussed in the writings of early church leaders. I never ventured into the ancient writings being either too busy or lazy to do so. Recently I happened upon the following excerpts to my own amazment. The writings speak for themselves. They confirm the writings of the bible in such a beautiful way. The authors are diverse and span aproximately 400 years.
This is as ancient as it gets, the message is cryistal clear.
The sources are not Apostolic in origination, that is not at issue here.
What is at issue is the fact that fulfilled prophecy was a view strongly held by well known theologians of their time. Fulfilled prophecy is not a new phenomonon or even as recent as two or even three hundred years. Those who embraced this view believed it in the first century and onward.
I still hold to the positiuon that the word of God is in itself the greatest witness to the truth because it is indeed the truth!

Click here for the Historical Article

God Bless All,

Sister Helen Febus

[GrowingPains]

If He already came, what are we doing? What's the game plan?

[KWSS1976]

there saying he came back in 70 a.d so just trying to find out myself...if so we need to reevaluate this portion of scripture..

Well if jesus came back then 1 cortih 13:8 is correct

8Charity never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away.

9For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.

10But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

the perfect came already once according to whats been told on here

[Aquila]

I think we have a failure to communicate biblically. Yes, Jesus had "come" in 70 AD. However, this wasn't his bodily return. When one says that Jesus came or returned in AD 70 what they are simply saying is that Jesus returned or came "in judgment" against Jerusalem. They are not saying that this is the actual bodily return of the Lord which we are still waiting for.

For example, the Lord came in judgment upon the Medo-Persians, the Grecians, the Babylonians, etc. One may even believe that the Lord came in judgment on modern nations or upon the United States in the form of natural disasters. I think people freak out when they hear that some believe that "Jesus returned" in AD 70. All that is meant is that he returned (spiritually) in judgment using the Romans to destroy the Jewish system of ancient Jerusalem.

[helen_febus]

Originally Posted by Sam

what is the source of that quote?

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Brother, I have to get ready for church right now but I will try to provide you with the source and also even more information on this subject either after Church tonight or sometime Tomorrow.

BTW, I always enjoy your historical Apostolic articles, I saved a lot of them only to lose them when my last computer crashed and then totally died. I will have to go back through the posts here and try to retrieve as many as possible.


God Bless You in Jesus Name,


Sister Helen Febus

Lots of new audio from the Conferrence in IL.
2 new books recently published on Fulfilled prophecy and these books unlike most are by an Apostolic.
The table is spread, lots of fresh meat and oven hot bread, we invite you to come and dine.

[KWSS1976]

Aqulia how do you know it was his spirit that was there in 70 a.d.and not the fleshly body?

[Aquila]

Originally Posted by KWSS1976

Aqulia how do you know it was his spirit that was there in 70 a.d.and not the fleshly body?

I believe when Christ returns bodily that he will put down all rule and authority and all things will be subject to him. I believe that return could be tonight. However, many references of his "coming" are mentioned in the context of judgment upon Jerusalem. I believe that we have to separate the two.

[KWSS1976]

O ok so no hard facts...got ya