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Old 07-25-2009, 12:30 PM
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Re: This UPC Bashing is Getting Old

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Hey Phil,

Hope all is well with you and hope your Sunday is good tomorrow.

I just looked at the GNCM and it says:

We believe in one God, revealed as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. (Deuteronomy 6:4; II Corinthians 13:14; John 1:1)


Since the whole trinitarian/oneness debate is largely based in terminologies (to me, anyway), would their statement be considered "oneness" or "trinitarian."?

It seems like I remember Phillips, Craig, and Dean bashed because they had a statement something like this (the bashing, this time, was from the trinitarian side).

If I'm dissecting this, the word "revealed" might lean toward the oneness side of the fence.
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Old 07-25-2009, 02:20 PM
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Re: This UPC Bashing is Getting Old

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Hey Phil,
Hope all is well with you and hope your Sunday is good tomorrow.
I just looked at the GNCM and it says:
We believe in one God, revealed as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. (Deuteronomy 6:4; II Corinthians 13:14; John 1:1)
Since the whole trinitarian/oneness debate is largely based in terminologies (to me, anyway), would their statement be considered "oneness" or "trinitarian."?
It seems like I remember Phillips, Craig, and Dean bashed because they had a statement something like this (the bashing, this time, was from the trinitarian side).
If I'm dissecting this, the word "revealed" might lean toward the oneness side of the fence.
Hi I.,
GNCM definitely is more heavily populated with "Oneness" preachers, especially among the leadership, as CC1 mentioned. It was started by exUPC ministers that merged with Bro. Hardwick(Nashville) who was also in the UPC for a long time. A lot of good brethren in GNCM, absolutely.
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Re: This UPC Bashing is Getting Old

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Hi I.,
GNCM definitely is more heavily populated with "Oneness" preachers, especially among the leadership, as CC1 mentioned. It was started by exUPC ministers that merged with Bro. Hardwick(Nashville) who was also in the UPC for a long time. A lot of good brethren in GNCM, absolutely.

I'm glad to hear you say that (your last line). You also expressed your support for Kenneth Haney somewhere else (can't remember where) and I appreciated that.

Yes, I know the details of Global and my license is actually with them. But I'm not active and use it for license only. But as you may be aware, I try to stay away tendencies of exclusivity of both sides and I'd never heard Global described as a "Oneness" organization.

I've always had a bit of a difficult time associating with the "UPC without the standards" crowd.

Thanks Phil.

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