White Cop vs Black Scholar

[aegsm76]

Irreligious - I think you just like to stir the pot and then get upset for the grease popping on ya!!!
Fact - some slave owners were paid compensation for freeing their slaves.
Fact - these were all Union supporting slave owners.
Fact - the 13th amendment freed the slaves in the South and no compensation was paid to slave owners who were in rebellion against the Union.
We cannot right every wrong, we cannot even begin. Otherwise, you are going to wind up with people who say "what about me?".
Fact - my ancestors were forcibly removed from their land, were marched over thousands of miles to a inhospitable land and forced to live there.
Fact - I cannot "officially" lay claim to this part of my heritage, because I am not on an official government roll. Even though DNA proves that this is my heritage.
Does this bother me? Not overly much. Because "I yam what I yam"!
All of this leftover culture stems from LBJ's great society, which led to the dissolution of the family unit, by giving women more money and benefits if they were single, then if they were married.
Everytime government attempts to fix a social problem, it ends up making the situation worse.

[Truthseeker]

I just listened to part of the 911 call and the lady didn't even mention the two guys were black as many have been led to believe. She said she thinks one is hispanic and the other she couldn't tell. She just sounded like a concerned neighbor. I hope Gates as spoken to her to thank her for the concern.

[n david]

Originally Posted by Irreligious

Mr. David, you DESPERATELY need sensitivity training and the idiocy of the this post shows that very well. Institutionalized racism ended before 200+ years ago??? Tell Jack & Jill I said "Hi" because you're in a fairy tale world.

It's funny.....I went days without looking at this thread because when I saw who posted it, I knew what position you would be taking on all this and I knew I'd just get completely flabbergasted again.

You need to read "Black Like Me" by John Howard Griffin.

So go ahead and hit me with your best shot because I'm not responding to your stuff. It just takes WAY too much joy out of my day.

*sigh*

Irreligious - I apologize that your skin is rice-paper thin and your feelings get hurt with anything I post. If I, or responding to me, takes too much joy out of your day, then ... whew I don't know what to tell ya man. You need more joy, perhaps.

Tell ya what, from now on we won't debate - you and I. You say whatever you want and I won't respond, even if I feel strongly one way or another about what was posted. And likewise, if you see something I've posted, ignore it.

And if you decide to respond to me, don't get your feelings hurt if I respond with a bit of sarcasm ... it's what I do. Learn it, love it, live with it or leave it. (And no, I'm not telling you to leave the forum - you brighten my day too much, I'd miss you. *tear*)

So ... help me help you.

[Irreligious]

Originally Posted by n david

*sigh*

Irreligious - I apologize that your skin is rice-paper thin and your feelings get hurt with anything I post. If I, or responding to me, takes too much joy out of your day, then ... whew I don't know what to tell ya man. You need more joy, perhaps.

Tell ya what, from now on we won't debate - you and I. You say whatever you want and I won't respond, even if I feel strongly one way or another about what was posted. And likewise, if you see something I've posted, ignore it.

And if you decide to respond to me, don't get your feelings hurt if I respond with a bit of sarcasm ... it's what I do. Learn it, love it, live with it or leave it. (And no, I'm not telling you to leave the forum - you brighten my day too much, I'd miss you. *tear*)

So ... help me help you.

Ok...I'm gonna test the waters one more time and I'm probably a fool for doing so.

You know, Dave, it's not your points that I can't deal with. Opposing views are a part of life and really, what this forum is all about. It's your snide, condescending, personal jabs that you feel the obligation to include with everything dang thing you say to me. And yes, I'm sure there are a hundred of you that are going to say, "Irreligious, it's YOU that's snide and condescending."

In a non-antagonistic way I simply asked us all to consider the life this professor has had to experience...walk a mile in his shoes....and maybe, just MAYBE try to understand why he would use the term "Whitey." It is amazing the life change that can come through attempting to see life through the eyes of other people....gang members, other cultures, handicapped people, other genders, the gay community, the drug addicted, the alcoholic....basically ANYONE who is different from us.

And what do I get? I get a smart aleck (aleck is not the word I wanna use), condescending replay about sensitivity training, and implying that I'm a baby because of my "thin skin."

I enjoy respectful, intellectual conversation based on facts. I DO NOT enjoy the digs that you deem it necessary to use every time you speak to me.

I really would like for you (and others) to read "Black Like Me" by John Howard Griffin. It just might change your life.

[Hoovie]

Originally Posted by Mr. Steinway

I must admit that I have little patience for those with a victim complex. All it does is diminish the REAL victims!

This story may be settled with the release of the tapes. The tapes will show who was calm and who was out of control. Maybe it was both! I honestly believe I would have been arrested had I acted like the professor.

CC1 is right about white guilt because of how their ancestors treated blacks. Although I am embarrassed by racism shown by some white people in America, it doesn't appear it happened in this case. In fact, the only racism I see in this case is from the professor.

My ancestors did not mistreat blacks. I am actually proud of how they treated them. On more than one occasion they purchased blacks on auction so they could set them free.

[Irreligious]

Originally Posted by Mr. Steinway

I must admit that I have little patience for those with a victim complex. All it does is diminish the REAL victims!

This story may be settled with the release of the tapes. The tapes will show who was calm and who was out of control. Maybe it was both! I honestly believe I would have been arrested had I acted like the professor.

CC1 is right about white guilt because of how their ancestors treated blacks. Although I am embarrassed by racism shown by some white people in America, it doesn't appear it happened in this case. In fact, the only racism I see in this case is from the professor.

I have COMPLETE patience for those with the so-called "victim complex." I try to use one of the fruits of the spirit, "Patience" as well as another one "Long Suffering."

When you've been chased with a noose, rejected from job after job, been looked at suspiciously every time you approach an ATM, then you'll have more credibility in your analysis.

[Praxeas]

Originally Posted by Pressing-On

Juan Williams puts it very succinctly - "But in this situation, the president spoke without the facts. And so you can't have a teachable moment if it's based on a lie."

In other words - the beer is not going to help.

The teachable moment should have been "I messed up folks. We should never prejudge a situation without all the facts or cry racism everytime we aren't happy"

But the idea of a teachable moment and having a beer with the cop to discussion racial issues pretty much implies the original accusation...this was about a white cop vs a black man and not rather a white cop vs an irate citizen

[Pressing-On]

Originally Posted by Praxeas

The teachable moment should have been "I messed up folks. We should never prejudge a situation without all the facts or cry racism everytime we aren't happy"

But the idea of a teachable moment and having a beer with the cop to discussion racial issues pretty much implies the original accusation...this was about a white cop vs a black man and not rather a white cop vs an irate citizen

Exactly! The American people are not estupido en la cabeza!

[Irreligious]

Originally Posted by aegsm76

Irreligious - I think you just like to stir the pot and then get upset for the grease popping on ya!!!
Fact - some slave owners were paid compensation for freeing their slaves.
Fact - these were all Union supporting slave owners.

My point was, and it ALSO is a "FACT"...there were slave owners that received compensation and I really don't care WHO they supported. FACT....whatever slave owners received is more than the slaves received. Slaves were released into society with NOTHING, not even last names, and we're still paying the price for it. Release 4 million people into society with nothing and what do you expect? The African-American Community is still suffering for it.

Fact - the 13th amendment freed the slaves in the South and no compensation was paid to slave owners who were in rebellion against the Union.
We cannot right every wrong, we cannot even begin. Otherwise, you are going to wind up with people who say "what about me?".

While we certainly can't "right every wrong" we certainly CAN and SHOULD begin!! Are you comparing the "wrong of slavery" to other insignificant wrongs? We're talking about 4 million existing human beings that were stripped of everything and treated like animals. We owed them MORE than just opening the gates and taking another 100 years to give them the right to vote.

Fact - my ancestors were forcibly removed from their land, were marched over thousands of miles to a inhospitable land and forced to live there.
Fact - I cannot "officially" lay claim to this part of my heritage, because I am not on an official government roll. Even though DNA proves that this is my heritage.

Are you speaking of Native Americans? If so, I am in your exact position. I'm sure you're aware of available health insurance to Native American descendants. Is there such a program for African-Americans?

Does this bother me? Not overly much. Because "I yam what I yam"!
All of this leftover culture stems from LBJ's great society, which led to the dissolution of the family unit, by giving women more money and benefits if they were single, then if they were married.
Everytime government attempts to fix a social problem, it ends up making the situation worse.

That sounds like Rush Limbaugh jargon and I don't terribly disagree. But slavery wasn't a "social problem." It was a monumental crime against humanity.

All I'm asking is for non-blacks to give serious thought to walking in their shoes before you tell them to get over it and minimize what it's STILL like to be an African-American in this country. Have we improved? Yes. Are we anywhere CLOSE to resolving the issue? No.

[Cindy]

Good grief, racism is very much alive in America. It's a sad fact, but it's true. We cannot compensate anyone for slavery, because how do you put a cost on bondage, humiliation, and inhumane treatment of generations of people? And lest anyone think that there are not groups of people in small towns or large cities in America, that thinks all nonwhites should not breathe air, you are sadly mistaken. In small insidious comments, and outright face to face comments. They spew hatred, and teach it to their children. And I don't think it really matters what age a black is in this country, how do they forget the past. Or overcome the present, when it is usually something that white people don't want to talk about, because they will have to admit the truth.

I still think the President of the US should not have commented on this situation as he did, without knowing all the facts.