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Re: How would you define AFF?
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How is this a fact?
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LOL! Well... it assumes they are not still anonymous lurkers does it not? They have shared their stories with us here otherwise one can claim 100% of the lurkers are Satan worshipers.
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09-12-2009, 08:21 PM
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Re: How would you define AFF?
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LOL! Well... it assumes they are not still anonymous lurkers does it not? They have shared their stories with us here otherwise one can claim 100% of the lurkers are Satan worshipers.
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LOL!
I tend to agree with what Proverbs has stated. Also, she's only acknowledging UPC because it's her background - - it was her paper and she wrote it from HER view.
I didn't take what she wrote to be against UPC at all which it seems some are. She just stated "in her experience" which is what we all do.
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09-12-2009, 08:23 PM
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Re: How would you define AFF?
To be fair, we need to mention that we have one go back to UPC, then leave, then go back, then leave.
Just saying.
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09-12-2009, 08:33 PM
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Re: How would you define AFF?
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I think the numbers who have left and are more "liberal" over a statistically significant period of time, would eclipse the number that ran away to become the new wrestling federation.
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I would not argue with that - a significant number even appear to have embraced homosexuality...
oops!
Look. I think the WPF forming was a good thing for the UPC - and I don't mean "good riddance" - just that there is a difference in direction. I don't wish to defend the ultra cons be they in or out of the UPC.
I believe the UPC is moving in the right direction in many areas. We have more progressive pastors than ever before. More are joining the UPC then are leaving. OK - so it may not be much, but that is far better than most mainstream denominations can say.
I think very, very few are anonymously planning their escapes from legalism.
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"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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09-12-2009, 08:37 PM
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Re: How would you define AFF?
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To be fair, we need to mention that we have one go back to UPC, then leave, then go back, then leave.
Just saying.
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Yeah. And we have one with a doctorate from Regents who is doin time...
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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09-12-2009, 08:38 PM
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Re: How would you define AFF?
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I would not argue that - a significant number even appear to have embraced homosexuality...
oops!
Look. I think the WPF forming was a good thing for the UPC - and I don't mean "good riddance" - just that there is a difference in direction. I don't wish to defend the ultra cons be they in or out of the UPC.
I believe the UPC is moving in the right direction in many areas. We have more progressive pastors than ever before. More are joining the UPC then are leaving. OK - so it may not be much, but that is far better than most mainstream denominations can say.
I think very, very few are anonymously planning their escapes from legalism.
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I agree it has been good for the UPC, however events like youth congress and reverting back to a business dress for people on the platform was a step backwards. It also shows the Wrestling Federation still has influence on the UPC.
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09-12-2009, 08:39 PM
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Re: How would you define AFF?
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Yeah. And we have one with a doctorate from Regents who is doin time...
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HAHAHA! I was just thinking about him today!
But on a more serious note Hoovie, why do you think that people lurk or want to stay anonymous here?
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09-12-2009, 08:42 PM
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Re: How would you define AFF?
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I agree it has been good for the UPC, however events like youth congress and reverting back to a business dress for people on the platform was a step backwards. It also shows the Wrestling Federation still has influence on the UPC.
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Does it really mean anything at all other than politics? Naturally there will be a temporary move to pacify the conservative elements who remained after the departure... 
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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09-12-2009, 08:49 PM
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Re: How would you define AFF?
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HAHAHA! I was just thinking about him today!
But on a more serious note Hoovie, why do you think that people lurk or want to stay anonymous here?
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There are still many folks who simply are anonymous when online period. That can range from concerns socially to fear of criminal activity and online predators like the "doctor".
One reason I have been online anonymously is because it's more fun to engage when there aren't the preconceived notions of the guy who used to be Amish or the villain from ABC's Wife Swap. 
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Articles on such subjects as "The New Birth," will be accepted, whether they teach that the new birth takes place before baptism in water and Spirit, or that the new birth consists of baptism of water and Spirit. - THE PENTECOSTAL HERALD Dec. 1945
"It is doubtful if any Trinitarian Pentecostals have ever professed to believe in three gods, and Oneness Pentecostals should not claim that they do." - Daniel Segraves
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09-12-2009, 08:49 PM
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Re: How would you define AFF?
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Does it really mean anything at all other than politics? Naturally there will be a temporary move to pacify the conservative elements who remained after the departure... |
It means the Gospel is still secondary to giving young people a platform to minister to their own. It means legalism still plays a major roll in UPC thought and action. It may be a small thing, but it is a symptom of bigger problems and is why they continue to bleed their youth.
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