So... you don't watch shows with gay people, you aren't for same-sex marriage, but you don't think they should be pre-judged as parents? Is that correct? Same-sex partners can be healthy parents?
Yes, that's what I'm saying.
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Are you not considering the implications of your ideas? Saying our model is no longer a child with a father and mother is devastating. Two daddies is a strike automatically, no matter how loving they are within their own family, the harm to all families by distorting the family model and pushing the envelope of acceptance is sickening.
Having no daddies is just as bad, don't you think? In addition, they don't have mommies either. They have pseudo-parents who try to give them a home until the state decides what to do with those kids. Often, love is lacking, even from foster parents, and when it's not, the kids are put back into environments they were taken away from in the first place, and more damage is done. I'm not advocating that gay parents should be the norm, but if that's their desire, the kids are better off in that than what they were taken out of in the first place.
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And don't you think for a second the show isn't pushing same-sex marriage! Let's not be naive. Don't forget the #1 debate the last couples years, and one that won't back down: same-sex marriage laws.
I don't know anything about the show, other than what was posted here. Until this thread, I'd never even heard of the show.
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You are a child of God and see nothing wrong with same-sex couples raising children? Nothing at all sounds abnormal about that? That sounds normal? God's design? Something to shoot for is it?
Your logic is "since some heteros are losers, sexual roles mean nothing in child-raising."
If I left my wife for another man??? Yes, that would DEFINITELY change the type of parent I am!! Perhaps that's not the analogy you wanted... what is a family to you? What is God's idea of a family? Are a child's needs fully met with two daddies? Two mommies? Sure, because of sin we have single mom's trying to meet needs too. But why use some shortcomings with one instance, as an excuse to sponsor perversion!
What is our world coming to. And you are Apostolic I take it?
Jeff, I have been married and divorced twice. I have been a single parent longer than a married one. My ability to parent both of my children didn't change as my marital status changed. And if I were to have a woman for a partner, I also don't see how that choice would affect the kind of parent I am to my children. I'm puzzled why you think that changing your sexual orientation would mean you are less of a parent to your children. In what way would that affect the kind of dad you are today?
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Having no daddies is just as bad, don't you think? In addition, they don't have mommies either. They have pseudo-parents who try to give them a home until the state decides what to do with those kids. Often, love is lacking, even from foster parents, and when it's not, the kids are put back into environments they were taken away from in the first place, and more damage is done. I'm not advocating that gay parents should be the norm, but if that's their desire, the kids are better off in that than what they were taken out of in the first place.
I don't know anything about the show, other than what was posted here. Until this thread, I'd never even heard of the show.
Do you know anything about fostering? Hetero parents that have Christian homes have far more hoops to jump through. Many give up on fostering all together, or adopt a foreign child instead of through the state.
Your logic just strikes me as odd. Since there's screwy parents out there, no ideals about who should be parents anymore. That's just insane. You ARE advocating for gay parents to be the norm. How are you not? You said they are just as good as any other loving parents.
What are you talking about? I asked you to clarify and wanted to know if you were defending the TV show. But why wouldn't you? They are fine parents.
I can careless what TV show you watch, your ideas about same-sex parenting are far more dangerous.
Again, I don't watch anything on TV that portrays gay people. I don't condone that lifestyle in any way, and I don't care what the show is really about.
I'm still not sure how sexual orientation makes someone less of a parent if they choose to have a same-sex partner vs. one of the opposite sex. To me, it's like telling someone that because they are gay, they aren't as good of a police officer, nurse, lawyer, or burger flipper than someone who isn't gay.
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Jeff, I have been married and divorced twice. I have been a single parent longer than a married one. My ability to parent both of my children didn't change as my marital status changed. And if I were to have a woman for a partner, I also don't see how that choice would affect the kind of parent I am to my children. I'm puzzled why you think that changing your sexual orientation would mean you are less of a parent to your children. In what way would that affect the kind of dad you are today?
If you don't think your divorce and remarriage have had ANY affect on your children, you are living in denial. While I admire the fact that you are in a stable marriage today (and don't know the details, nor care to, of your divorce), divorce is one of the most traumatic things for children.
Your sexuality doesn't affect parenting? Are we raising up rocks or people? Confused gender roles. Inability to relate to others at school. False ideas about families. You see being a dad and mom as indepedent of who you are. You seem to think it's direct behavior with the child. Who you are says more than what you do.
This debate would be formed differently if you were an atheist. But you're A CHRISTIAN!!!!!
Again, I don't watch anything on TV that portrays gay people. I don't condone that lifestyle in any way, and I don't care what the show is really about.
I'm still not sure how sexual orientation makes someone less of a parent if they choose to have a same-sex partner vs. one of the opposite sex. To me, it's like telling someone that because they are gay, they aren't as good of a police officer, nurse, lawyer, or burger flipper than someone who isn't gay.
Where's an icon that shows the man speaking out of both sides of his mouth?
So being a mom and dad is like being a cop, taco bell employee or secretary?
Your ideas of parenting sound very warped. I'm sorry to be so blunt.
Do you know anything about fostering? Hetero parents that have Christian homes have far more hoops to jump through. Many give up on fostering all together, or adopt a foreign child instead of through the state.
Your logic just strikes me as odd. Since there's screwy parents out there, no ideals about who should be parents anymore. That's just insane. You ARE advocating for gay parents to be the norm. How are you not? You said they are just as good as any other loving parents.
No, I didn't. I said that their sexual orientation doesn't make them less able to parent. And yes, I know lots about fostering. I have several friends who are foster parents (they are all Christian folks too, but I don't know what you mean by having more hoops to jump through), and my own mother was a foster parent for over ten years.
And no, I'm NOT advocating for gay parents to be the norm. Not in any way.
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No, I didn't. I said that their sexual orientation doesn't make them less able to parent. And yes, I know lots about fostering. I have several friends who are foster parents (they are all Christian folks too, but I don't know what you mean by having more hoops to jump through), and my own mother was a foster parent for over ten years.
And no, I'm NOT advocating for gay parents to be the norm. Not in any way.
You keep contradicting yourself. Just say what you mean, and mean what you say.
As a Pentecostal I've personally witnessed many families have to jump through some serious hoops over their religion. Especially families that didn't own televisions. They'd rather two men raise a child, than that child not have a television.
You may not intend to advocate that, but you're reading right from their playbook and it's what your ideas imply. If sexual orientation doesn't make them any less able to be a parent, why wouldn't you advocate for them????
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