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Old 09-30-2009, 07:47 AM
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Re: My Name is on www.wedeclare.org

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Didn't Ed Anglin sign the wedeclare thing?
I've heard he is looking their way.
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Old 09-30-2009, 07:59 AM
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There are so many other beautiful elements about the UPC. It is a shame to get tied up like this.
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There are so many other beautiful elements about the UPC. It is a shame to get tied up like this.
Yeah, like what?

Just another papal organization, with bishops, cardinals, and the whole pyramid scheme! In amway they would be called uplines!
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Old 09-30-2009, 08:08 AM
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I'm younger and my wife and all my girl cousins tell me I'm way better looking so I have to be extra careful.
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Ok, I only thought the side-part holiness standard was weird, but now I'm really getting weirded out.
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Yeah, like what?

Just another papal organization, with bishops, cardinals, and the whole pyramid scheme! In amway they would be called uplines!
Would you actually listen if I did tell you the things that are beautiful?
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Old 09-30-2009, 08:13 AM
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Re: My Name is on www.wedeclare.org

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There are so many other beautiful elements about the UPC. It is a shame to get tied up like this.
I agree PO, and I have lots of fond memories of UPC. But it just saddens me that it's getting more and more divisive. It's scary, really.
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Old 09-30-2009, 08:27 AM
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There are so many other beautiful elements about the UPC. It is a shame to get tied up like this.
I have family and a lot of friends in the UPC. It's sad to see how things have been the past few years.
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Old 09-30-2009, 08:32 AM
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Would you actually listen if I did tell you the things that are beautiful?
You know what, don't mind me much today! I am just having fun stirring the pot!

I spent 38 years in the UPC, I did have some great times, pastored three churches in that org!

Really, it does not bother me if someone is in or not. Still have some great friends in it and out of it!

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Old 09-30-2009, 08:36 AM
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I agree PO, and I have lots of fond memories of UPC. But it just saddens me that it's getting more and more divisive. It's scary, really.
Sherri,
From the inside - there are many of us that are following after the Lord and not getting involved in all of this. Don't get me wrong, we've had our share of problems, but God has seen us through and we are doing really well. Today, I am happier than I have ever been. We are not the only organization or people that have had or are having problems. That is why I don't get really alarmed about all of this.

What I want to do is discuss the scriptures that I have questions about and have always had questions about supporting, i.e., Deut 22:5. I don't mind that an organization desires to have what they believe to be modesty in a "cultural" America. What I don't want to do is stand on a scripture as a heaven or hell issue when it is not. I have to answer to God someday and that's the important thing to me.

Do I answer to man or to God? I'm with the apostles - "...we ought to obey God rather than man.."

I think it's okay to discuss scripture, but I'm not going to criticize men or organizations because I know God is in our midst, we don't know or see the end game and it would mean that I am criticizing every single member. I am unwilling to do that because I believe I would be broadbrushing.

If Papbear or some else would come back and lay out the Biblical "principle" of Deut 22:5 without taking it out of context, I am willing to listen. If I am wrong, I would repent, apologize and embrace it!

As far as what it looks like to me, it's a morality issue, a matter of the heart and not a wardrobe issue. For a man or woman to change into another's clothing to "become or exist as" the opposite sex is serious and so is the word "abomination". In that context, I am unwilling to believe, at this point, it is about a women wearing a pair of pants.

On a side note - I wonder why it is such an oddity for a man to wear a woman's clothes, but no one turns heads when a women is wearing something a man would wear?

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You know what, don't mind me much today! I am just having fun stirring the pot!

I spent 38 years in the UPC, I did have some great times, pastored three churches in that org!

Really, it does not bother me if someone is in or not. Still have some great friends in it and out of it!

Lord Bless
Okay, I won't mind you today! lol

We had a wonderful ladies prayer meeting yesterday. Talked about the Word being more important than the shout, there is a place and time for everything, etc. God ministered to us. I wouldn't have wanted to be anywhere else. We have some awesome women of God. Our Community could only be proud!
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