Honestly, saying that someone left a bad taste in your mouth doesn't seem like bashing to me. Just means whatever they did didn't settle well with you - I believe we have a right to say that.
Is it because of "who" it is being said about? I mean the bashing toward Democrats and Obama is endless.
I think that is probably the better way. However, I also know the scripture talks about know them that labor among you. Does that mean you never let anything negative expressed?
We are talking about a man that is not here to defend himself and I think it's just plain gossip.
Sharing negative experiences or concerns should be left within our individual families and with close friends. That is, if you have a friend that you feel you can trust to share things with. JMHO.
I didn't defend DB on the issue of dying the hair using Matthew 5:36. I felt it was taken out of context, in that, it speaks of not having control over things. You do have control over what color you can dye your hair. I think we can differ on scripture, but I wouldn't bash his character.
If Sister Alvear had a bad experience, she should keep that to herself. Mainly, because the whole story wasn't told and DB isn't here to defend his actions or explain why he acted like he did. Even if he was wrong, he should have been given the opportunity to defend himself.
Honestly, saying that someone left a bad taste in your mouth doesn't seem like bashing to me. Just means whatever they did didn't settle well with you - I believe we have a right to say that.
Is it because of "who" it is being said about? I mean the bashing toward Democrats and Obama is endless.
Discussing our differences on political issues is the same thing as discussing our differences on scriptural matters. You can take both too far and we shouldn't.
Obviously there are people who like DKB, and those who don't. However, only time will tell what kind of GS he'll turn out to be. He may have made mistakes in the past, but that doesn't mean he'll repeat them in the future.
I've read a couple of letters he sent out (I think one of them was about the WPF thing, and the other was about hair?), and I liked both of them. I thought he tried to be fair, and stick to the Word in his answers. He didn't come across as harsh to ME, but maybe I'm not as perceptive as I should be.
Obviously I haven't read every letter he's ever written, so I can't vouch for him 100%. (And neither can PO.)
He's just entered a new arena, so I vote for giving him a chance to do his job. Personally, I think he'll be good at it. And I LIKE people who communicate their opinions on various matters--I hope he continues to address questions and concerns. IMO, part of the problem with KH is that he seems very hands off. Leaders need to be involved in the concerns and problems of the constituency. Even if they don't handle something correctly, it seems better than trying to avoid conflict altogether.
Now, if I am optimistic about someone, and I'm proven wrong, that's fine with me. I'd rather be wrong about someone's goodness, than be wrong about their...badness.
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"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
We are talking about a man that is not here to defend himself and I think it's just plain gossip.
Sharing negative experiences or concerns should be left within our individual families and with close friends. That is, if you have a friend that you feel you can trust to share things with. JMHO.
I didn't defend DB on the issue of dying the hair using Matthew 5:36. I felt it was taken out of context, in that, it speaks of not having control over things. You do have control over what color you can dye your hair. I think we can differ on scripture, but I wouldn't bash his character.
If Sister Alvear had a bad experience, she should keep that to herself. Mainly, because the whole story wasn't told and DB isn't here to defend his actions or explain why he acted like he did. Even if he was wrong, he should have been given the opportunity to defend himself.
PO, I consider you a friend on this forum and agree with 95% of your takes, but I think you've let emotion seep into this one and you're reading more into what Sis. Alvear has posted.
She has related a personal experience of hers with DKB that happened many years ago. She's not repeating hearsay or gossip, but a personal account of her dealings with the man.
She also didn't bash him or the UPCI, in fact, she went the extra mile to note that it happened many years ago and that she loves the UPCI. She simply points out that, in her informed opinion, she felt like he dealt badly with a situation without having facts.
How can that be wrong or unethical of her to do? Surely there isn't some sort of code of silence around men that lead religious organizations.
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Nonsense, Mike. PO never overreacts to anything. She is perfectly rational, rarely emotional, and keeps her knees perfectly still.
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
PO, I consider you a friend on this forum and agree with 95% of your takes, but I think you've let emotion seep into this one and you're reading more into what Sis. Alvear has posted.
She has related a personal experience of hers with DKB that happened many years ago. She's not repeating hearsay or gossip, but a personal account of her dealings with the man.
She also didn't bash him or the UPCI, in fact, she went the extra mile to note that it happened many years ago and that she loves the UPCI. She simply points out that, in her informed opinion, she felt like he dealt badly with a situation without having facts.
How can that be wrong or unethical of her to do? Surely there isn't some sort of code of silence around men that lead religious organizations.
I may be a lot of things, but I'm not a gossip and I avoid people that are - even if they are members of my church. There is not ONE single member of my church that EVER calls my house to talk about anyone nor do they corner me at church. They know that I don't discuss people. I will with my husband though!
I was thinking of people who have hurt me in the organization - I would never discuss that on this forum for everyone to read. People are just people....but that's just me.
I know many good things about DB - who he is and what he has done so - yes - I may be a little emotional. I certainly won't erect a statute to him. He is simply just a man that I happen to respect and disagree on several doctrinal issues.
But, it is not really about DB at this point. I was just shocked that Sis. Alvear would post that someone left a bad taste in her mouth. It seemed a bit out of character for her. Saying he left a bad taste in her mouth is bashing him, IMO.
If I related a story that happened "years ago" means I didn't get over it and move on and haven't let him move on either. Perhaps through experience he has changed a few things - we are left with the idea that he hasn't. That's not fair.
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Originally Posted by Sister Alvear
I think the UPC has done much for world evangelization...however many years ago DB left a sour taste in my mouth over something he knew nothing but hearsay about writing us a letter to get us straight on something...IF that is his approach as GS he will drive away good people...before opinions are formed and letters are sent we need to know the whole story on any given subject.
Sorry, but this just doesn't sound very good to me. Not only does she bring up the past, but doesn't elaborate, leaving it to speculation. He isn't even here to defend his actions - it's pure gossip and I don't agree with it.
Guess what? My User name isn't BRATTI is it? Toe torry, I couldn't stop myself!!!
And, what does it say about my psyche that I chose that name for myself?
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"God, send me anywhere, only go with me. Lay any burden on me, only sustain me. And sever any tie in my heart except the tie that binds my heart to Yours."
--David Livingstone
"To see no being, not God’s or any, but you also go thither,
To see no possession but you may possess it—enjoying all without labor or purchase—
abstracting the feast, yet not abstracting one particle of it;…."
--Walt Whitman, Leaves of Grass, Song of the Open Road
Toe torry, I couldn't stop myself!!! 
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