It's Sad.

[rgcraig]

Originally Posted by Edward Anglin

I think the concerns about excessive liberality and worldliness are absolutely 100% spot on.

There seems to be no middle ground nowadays. Maybe it's just that the moderate Pentecostals are not being heard because of the screaming and shouting coming from the extreme fringes of the movement.

I think we are dealing with a strong spirit of worldliness. But I do not believe it is confined to some of the pet issues at which we love to hack.

There is a problem with unfaithfulness, with affection direction with self-pleasure and an overall apathy - and this is in the church.

I long for the days of real Pentecostal hunger and zeal. When nothing else mattered but the presence and power of God.



Pentecost demands our complete attention. There is no room for worldliness.

Imagine the logistics involved in getting everybody into one place.

The followers of Jesus were so hungry for a spiritual outpouring that they set everything else aside to receive it. They got to a point where nothing else in life mattered but receiving the PROMISE of God. They set aside jobs, food, activities and all of their previous commitments in order to receive the power of Pentecost.

If we are to have an outpouring of the Holy Ghost, we will need to give up our worldliness. We will need to make Jesus the object of our affection.

I believe Pentecost is disruptive, and Pentecostal power demands…

• your time
• your money
• your appetite

So, we can talk about "our look" all day long but worldliness goes much deeper than that. It's about affections, desires and the consequences of such things.

Ed, I believe this is the heart of the problem!

It's a "ME" generation that is only getting worse.

[jaxfam6]

Apostolic/Pentecost seems to be in the same shoes as American politics. You have a group that is so far left that they can not see the right and a group that is so far right they can not see the left and no one is giving the majority of us a place to acutally cast our vote. Those that do try to find a balance are ridiculed as being to liberal by the conservatives and to legalistic by the liberals.

[*AQuietPlace*]

Originally Posted by jaxfam6

Apostolic/Pentecost seems to be in the same shoes as American politics. You have a group that is so far left that they can not see the right and a group that is so far right they can not see the left and no one is giving the majority of us a place to acutally cast our vote. Those that do try to find a balance are ridiculed as being to liberal by the conservatives and to legalistic by the liberals.