Sin, Life & Death

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Originally Posted by jfrog

As far as comparing the Father to a human, I have not. I have insisted everywhere that Christ is fully human, and you say that you agree.

Right. But GOD is in the equation here. The Son is deity as well as the Father, although the Son involves humanity while the Father does not. So a DIVINE PERSON is involved. That immediately removes all possibilities of saying God must be two persons in order for Son to talk to Father, since we can only see huamnity being two persons if a similar thing happens with us.

The only limitation I have placed on the Father is that he does not pray to himself, and even you agree with this. So logically, I say there must be another person that prays to the Father, or else the Father would be praying to himself.

No, you still miss the point I made. God caused the incarnation. So God is the issue here. What God can and cannot do as one person is simply UNKNOWN to us, really. In this light, to say He must be more than one person in order for Son to pray to Father is simply irrational, I think.

You say it wasn't a person that prayed but a nature. I say that a nature does not pray and I challenge you to give me one example of a nature praying.

I never said a nature prays. I said a HUMAN BEING is praying to GOD, and since God is both the incarnation as a human being as well as God, we cannot presume He must be two persons just because Son prays to Father. Such a presumption, again, is based upon conisidering what huamns must be in order for two humans to do the same thing.

I gave a picture of what I am trying to say before, and I was not sure if it was you with whom I spoke about it or not. It must not have been you.

So, let me explain. Imagine a martian is discovered on Mars. It's species is quite different from that of human beings. This creature has two mouths with which to speak simultaneously in two totally different conversations. Its brain is created to be able to do that. But it is one "person" of it species. If we were to look at that, we would reason that since we can only carry on two totally different conversations at the same time by there being TWO HUMAN PERSONS, we might wish to consider this creature as two persons. However, we are talking about a different species. It can do things we cannot do.

As crude as that picture is, I think it adequately explains what I am trying to say. I do not like to call God a species, but to get my point across, He is a different SPECIES than us. Although He is the only One of His kind. And it is error to say He must be more than one person when we see Him do things that would require more than one human person to do. And whether we realize it or not, we ARE comparing God to human beings and our abilities when we reason He is two persons at least. We have no other basis than that upon which to say God is more than one person.