Yep... heart warming feel good fuzzy stories are how the catholic church put most of their stuff over on the people
christmas
easter
fishermans ring
dagon garb
eucharist
the list goes on and on....
I know that many brothers argue that Christmas is "pagan" in origin. The truth is that the setting of the date of December 25th as a day to honor Christ's birth has more to do with the dispute regarding the date of Christ's death in combination with an ancient Jewish belief known as "integral age".
Aurilean essentially resurrected pagan practices during this season to counter growing Christian enfluence via the vehicle of celebrating Christ's birth.
Yep... and can often be a little miffed that christians keep hijacking their festivals.
Most I know really don't care. If anything they find it amusing and entertaining.
Most recognize the overlap of different religious seasons, and appreciate them. We observed Christmas, Yule and Hanukkah and discussed Kwanza..and this was in a pagan home. I have quite a few friends who still do the multiple observation, with of course their own religious holiday being the biggest.
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You need to read "Pagan Christianity". Hardly anything you do in church is gonna survive.
I don't need to read "Pagan Christianity"; however, I realize that you have offered that as a suggestion, so please provide a summation of the book. I will take it into consideration as I enjoy reading.
To say that "hardly anything you do in church is gonna survive" is poppycock. The work of the church (which is the body of Christ containing many members) does not consist of the building and other material things. Yet, it is that which is intangible; it is the souls that are grafted into the body of Christ. Yes, heaven and earth shall pass away; this is true, however, the Lord clearly says that his words shall not pass away. The church will never die, because the gates of hell shall not prevail against the church. Therefore, because the church will never cease, rather will be caught up, thus they will be rewarded according to their works. "For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works" (Matthew 16:27). So, what the word of the Lord tells me in this scripture is that the work that I do for the Lord on this earth will be recognized and will be rewarded. Also, the church is not a survivor, but we are more than conquerors.
Don't know what wine you've been drinking but it isn't new wine
St. Nicholas was bishop of Myra, a Modalist haven. In addition ancient documents show that Nicholas attended the Nicean Council. Records show that St. Nicholas smote Arius over Arius’ claim that Jesus wasn’t God and was dismissed from that cession. The finalized documents of the council show those attending who signed on with the doctrine of the Trinity; St. Nicholas’ name isn’t found. So we are confronted with the implications that St. Nicholas believed that Jesus was God while not officially agreeing with the Trinitarian resolution. Hence, St. Nicolas may very well have been a Modalst.
Yes, Santa can be used to teach your children Oneness Apostolic history.
I don't need to read "Pagan Christianity"; however, I realize that you have offered that as a suggestion, so please provide a summation of the book. I will take it into consideration as I enjoy reading.
To say that "hardly anything you do in church is gonna survive" is poppycock. The work of the church (which is the body of Christ containing many members) does not consist of the building and other material things. Yet, it is that which is intangible; it is the souls that are grafted into the body of Christ. Yes, heaven and earth shall pass away; this is true, however, the Lord clearly says that his words shall not pass away. The church will never die, because the gates of hell shall not prevail against the church. Therefore, because the church will never cease, rather will be caught up, thus they will be rewarded according to their works. "For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works" (Matthew 16:27). So, what the word of the Lord tells me in this scripture is that the work that I do for the Lord on this earth will be recognized and will be rewarded. Also, the church is not a survivor, but we are more than conquerors.
Don't know what wine you've been drinking but it isn't new wine
Pagan Christianity and other books like it are excellent at revealing the origins of most Christian practices and methods today. For example the following are purely pagan or OT observances that are not found in the biblical NT church:
Steeples
Sermons
Large Cathedrals
Altar Calls
Tithing
Dressing up for church
Eucharist
Clergy
Centralized teaching
And the list could go on and on. Yes, even the “sermon” is pagan. Biblical “sermons” weren’t Aristotelian rhetoric with points and applications outlined in a prepared fashion as we hear today from our pulpits. Biblical sermons were essentially free style teaching from the heart with the interaction of the gathered body. If you are not allowed to stand up and ask a question in church while your pastor is “preaching” his prepared “sermon”… you might be a pagan.
St. Nicholas was bishop of Myra, a Modalist haven. In addition ancient documents show that Nicholas attended the Nicean Council. Records show that St. Nicholas smote Arius over Arius’ claim that Jesus wasn’t God and was dismissed from that cession. The finalized documents of the council show those attending who signed on with the doctrine of the Trinity; St. Nicholas’ name isn’t found. So we are confronted with the implications that St. Nicholas believed that Jesus was God while not officially agreeing with the Trinitarian resolution. Hence, St. Nicolas may very well have been a Modalst.
Yes, Santa can be used to teach your children Oneness Apostolic history.
Santa? A Oneness Apostolic? But he had a beard!
And he wore red!
And he watched TV! Oh, wait. Probably not. At least not until later, after it was invented. But he probably doesn't get good reception at the North Pole, anyway.
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I don't need to read "Pagan Christianity"; however, I realize that you have offered that as a suggestion, so please provide a summation of the book. I will take it into consideration as I enjoy reading.
To say that "hardly anything you do in church is gonna survive" is poppycock. The work of the church (which is the body of Christ containing many members) does not consist of the building and other material things. Yet, it is that which is intangible; it is the souls that are grafted into the body of Christ. Yes, heaven and earth shall pass away; this is true, however, the Lord clearly says that his words shall not pass away. The church will never die, because the gates of hell shall not prevail against the church. Therefore, because the church will never cease, rather will be caught up, thus they will be rewarded according to their works. "For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works" (Matthew 16:27). So, what the word of the Lord tells me in this scripture is that the work that I do for the Lord on this earth will be recognized and will be rewarded. Also, the church is not a survivor, but we are more than conquerors.
Don't know what wine you've been drinking but it isn't new wine
Can you explain "poppycock"? I might be offended but need to make sure first.
Well, if you don't need to read the book then you don't need me to summarize it. If you're not interested in learning something, don't worry with it. Ignorance has motivated many things within the Christian Culture. A large amount of what the current Christian culture does, especially the Sunday service habits, are rooted in Paganism. So if you're going to ignore Christmas because of its origins, you may need to be prepared to throw out a lot of stuff.
Can you explain "poppycock"? I might be offended but need to make sure first.
Poppycock = empty talk or writing: nonsense (Websters Definition). I don’t think that you should be offended by the use of poppycock, however, if you are offended than I apologize for offending you.
Well, if you don't need to read the book then you don't need me to summarize it.
There are many books that people including yourself read that are not of necessity; however, they choose to. People make suggestions of reading various writings; watching videos, movies, listen to music, and/or plays; trying various foods/dishes, and those things are not a necessity. Yet, people oblige such suggestions all the time. However, before doing so they take into consideration what it is they are doing. I do not blindly pick up books and start reading them just because someone gave me a suggestion. That may be something that you do (I don’t know), but it certainly is not something that I do. It is my belief and practice as a child of God to find out about something before reading, viewing, or listening to it.
If you're not interested in learning something, don't worry with it.
Anyone that thinks that they are beyond learning is fooling themselves; and that person is by far not me. Another assumptive statement and quite un-necessary; there is no worry on my part. If you knew me would know that I greatly enjoy learning and studying.
Ignorance has motivated many things within the Christian Culture. A large amount of what the current Christian culture does, especially the Sunday service habits, are rooted in Paganism.
This is a subjective statement, because it depends on who is calling themselves a Christian. Furthermore, I do not nor will I subscribe to the ideology that any part of Christianity is rooted in paganism. The reason being Christianity was established in the word of God and it was not and is not pagan.
So if you're going to ignore Christmas because of its origins, you may need to be prepared to throw out a lot of stuff.
Yet again you make another assumptive statement as though you know me. Additionally, this statement assumes that there are things (as you put it “stuff”) that I am holding onto that is not godly. You can keep that to yourself.
But never mind. You're not interested.
What you have here is comprehension conflict. I stated “I didn’t need to read the book”, not that I didn’t want to read the book. Your entire response is based on the premise that I stated I didn’t want to read the book; which is not the case. Clearly you read over this statement I made so I will post it again. “I realize that you have offered that as a suggestion, so please provide a summation of the book. I will take it into consideration as I enjoy reading”. If you are not willing to provide a summation of the book than don’t refer the book, that is quite disingenuous on your part.
Aquila ~ Thank you for the summation of “Pagan Christianity”
And he watched TV! Oh, wait. Probably not. At least not until later, after it was invented. But he probably doesn't get good reception at the North Pole, anyway.
That is quite an observation Timmy. I never thought about that. Now I do wonder why some Apostolics' that are opposed to males having facial hair, have no problem with Santa Claus. Very interesting.
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